I was looking around at Tourtiere recipes (as I am wont to do when it has been too long since my last fix in Montreal), and came across this other Quebecois meat pie called Cipaille that I have never encountered.
So that took me down a meat pie rabbithole of course, from British meat pies to Uyghur ones, and plenty more around the world.
Harters
(John Hartley - a culinary patriot, cooking and eating in northwest England)
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Probably not for this discussion. I work to the basis that a “pie” has a filling totally encased by pastry. So Shepherds/Cottage/Fish pie doesnt make the cut, however comforting they are.
I make a mean pasty, although it’s a cheat’s version in that I use tinned beef, rather than cook from scratch. But it’s true to the designated (PDO) description of a Cornish pasty, although I crimp along the top, rather than side.
There’s pork pie of course. Not something to make. No-one makes pork pie. You buy to eat cold. Heated up pork pie is vile.
Although that said, there’s Cheshire pork pie, which is eaten hot. Our county is known for pork and it seems as though a traditional recipe skipped the Atlantic at some point.
Truth be told, we don’t often make a meat pie at home. But we do buy good ones at the farmers market. Steak & kidney. Chicken & mushroom. Both British classics.
I am going to make what we call “pattice” - sic for patties - for my friend’s 90+yo mom who was reminiscing about the ones she ate as an after-school snack as a little kid in Kerala. I think the dough is a cross between empanada dough and puff pastry – maybe a rough puff? I think I should get some empanada wrappers and make a few with them and puff pastry both and see what she prefers.
The filling is similar to kheema, goan potato chops, jamaican patties, and chinese curry beef puffs. The recipes I looked up are quite similar.
There’s an upscale place near my place selling patties with unusual fillings like oxtail gravy, and using a slightly different shape of pastry. Really good.
The baking ones might have the fat rubbed in like shortcrust or minor lamination like rough puff – that’s what I do for Indian doughs I don’t want to deep fry and convert for baking.
Another stellar one is the Tourtiere du Shack from Martin Picard.
I also enjoy Jamaican patties, pasties, clangers, pâte en croute, steak and kidney, curry puffs and empanadas. I know I’m missing some because meat pies are luvverly.