Pizza: Frozen vs. Homemade vs. Pro made

Sorry!

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Yep. I’ve had it at Don Antonios in NYC and at A16 in Oakland.

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Very fond of Don Antonio’s. I haven’t been there in years!

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F’ing drooling!

As long as it was food to begin with … :slight_smile:

That looks awesome.

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I find the flip method for grilled pizza can actually work out really well if you are cooking for a crowd. Personal-size skins are easier to flip than larger pizzas, and you can do a bunch on the first side and then set them aside until you have enough for everyone. Then have everyone top their own, and put them back on the grill to finish the second side in batches. Makes for a fun group activity :grinning:

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FWIW, we used to make grilled pizzas using a stove top ridged grill pan. Limited by diameter so about 10" max. But as I remember, these were quite easy and happily consumed.

Heated grill pan close to smoking, then sprayed with a Pam type product. Lay on round of dough. Let bottom cook, then slide off onto cookie sheet. Flip back onto grill pan, uncooked side down. (Dough circle has toughened up so it flips pretty easily.) Load now cooked side with topping and lid until bottom is cooked and toppings are melted/cooked. Slide again onto sheet or platter.

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I was watching that Stanley Tucci in Italy show, and they were saying it started out fired in Naples because it reduced the risk of contamination! Doesn’t mention that in the link below.

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I was thinking about Don Antonio’s when I read a few of the replies leading to yours!

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The first picture by Saveur is the right one, where the crust is fried and then topped. The second ones I’m not fond of; I think of those as fried calzones, not fried pizzas.

I used to suffer from romantic notions of making pizza directly on my charcoal grill. It wasn’t worth the effort, but if you must, here are some pointers. My regular 72+% hydration dough would often droop over the grates, so I would use a stiffer dough. Also, I moved the coals to one side and cooked over indirect heat so the bottom of the crust wouldn’t burn, rotating once or twice. I also fashioned a setup where the coals and pizza were at the same level, like in a wood burning oven. Don’t do that, you’ll end up with coal dust all over your pizza.

The only Chicago-style deep dish pizzas I like are the ones we make at home. I haven’t liked any of the ones I’ve had in Chicago. We just made a couple this weekend: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMJAaFbnTfr/

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ā€œI like Chicago style, but not the way it’s done in Chicagoā€ seems tricky to interpret. :smile: The possibility does exist that you just don’t like Chicago-style deep dish pizza. :slight_smile:

Unless it used to be done better in Chicago, but lately it’s less good?

I think this is possible. I had it once in Chicago when I was very young and loved it. But the many times after that I’ve been disappointed. The recipes from King Arthur and Cooks Illustrated that I use claim to honor the original style and remind me of what I had as a child.

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Which restaurants have you visited? I make a very good Chicago-style deep dish myself at home, but Lou Malnati’s is really difficult to top.

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I saw several Lou Malnati’s pizzas made in house on a food show awhile back and thought mg those look tasty. Oh that buttery crust. So I signed up for Tastes of Chicago emails hoping I might snag a deal. $66.99/inc shipping for 2 - 9ā€ pizzas. No thanks, but they sure did look good.:slightly_smiling_face:

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I’ve been to Giordano’s, Gino’s East, and I’m pretty certain Pizzeria Uno, but I can’t be 100% sure about that one. I just remember it had a really long wait.

Mine are pretty good. It’s just the exposed crust rim that bothers me. That rim gets very crispy and is hard to eat with a knife and fork. Is that how it’s supposed to be? Looking at some pictures online, I see there are places in Chicago where the rim is very thin and/or level with the rest of the pizza. But there are also pies like the King Arthur/Cooks Illustrated recipes with thicker perimeter crusts that rise above the sauce.

Perhaps over time, in trying to emphasize what’s special about the style, some places have exaggerated it and turned it into a bit of a caricature.

That, or ā€œalmost as good and a lot cheaper to makeā€.

I actually don’t love Giordano’s or Gino’s East - IMO their crusts are too bready. Malnati’s crust is sort of like an oily (in a good way) shortbread, and they pat/press it pretty thin on the edges so you avoid the hard edge problem. Their crust also doesn’t really rise since it’s more of a pastry/tart than a bread dough. The rim is typically just barely above the level of the toppings and is thin and crunchy, not at all difficult to cut or eat. I’m actually in the car on the way to Chicago right now, planning to get there by dinner time so I’ll be able to post an illustrative Malnati’s photo very soon! :yum:

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IMHO, it’s all a matter of personal choice. In internet chat, there seems to be a tendency to aim for a commercial norm. But what really matters is determining what style you and your family like and becoming able to recreate that style with reliability. Our family cuts off all crust, so there is no reason to aim for an exposed high rim. We go for thin crust which are certainly not so photogenic. But they’re our choice.

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