I had to look it up. Thank you for the awareness.
"Which is why the whole ‘drinking the Kool-Aid’ saying is so odious and so completely wrong. A third of the people who died that night were minors under 18. It’s an extremely offensive saying.”
The term “drinking the kool-aid” originated in a 1968 book “The Electric Kool-aid acid test.” Most I know who use the expression, mean it as if you’re taking some kind of drug, like acid. Not a death cocktail, like the Jones cult. “What are you on?” is a similar expression. “I don’t know what he’s smoking.”
Others may use it to mean “go all the way in” which beckons Jim Jones. Give your life for something you believe in.
I try not to get offended. No need to carry more emotional weight than I already do.
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Sidney Harris was[1] always one of my favorite cartoonists being published in Science and in the American Scientist magazines.
Sometimes the problem with placing one’s faith in the “Well, we will get a lot more efficient in the future” approach is that it doesn’t happen, or not for a long time until some other intervening stroke of genius opens a path.
[1] Edit - I don’t mean to imply he’s no longer living, just that I don’t think I’ve seen anything new published in a long time. He’s 89.
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Not a woody smoke, certainly, but as the volatiles come off and vaporize and burn you develop some smoky flavor of the fruits’ more volatile compounds.
The problem with the torch for me is I just have the standard propane for copper pipe work, and no diffuser. So it’s got a needle-point flame that just burns the surfaces quickly before the stuff in the flesh gets warm enough to start vaporizing.
But if I got a diffuser for the torch I think I could get similar results to my stovetop.
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Yeah, what DaBadger said. How long has this expression (unrelated to Jim Jones) been offending you?
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Where did you read offense from my comment about awareness? Or did you attribute the direct quote from the article to me?
I try to learn. Many others carry a lot more emotional weight. A litte awareness can help.
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Oh, it was the word ‘odious’ and the phrase “extremely offensive saying” I keyed on. People usually offer quotes for a reason.
Your comment about awareness was thanking maccrogenoff for the link you looked up, making you aware about torch taste, yes?
You are correct about the origin of the phrase. However, it has come to be associated with the Jim Jones massacre because he forced his followers to drink poison laced Kool Aid.
It isn’t usually used to mean “go all the way in”. It is used to mean that someone has embraced a dangerous viewpoint as did Jim Jones followers who willingly drank the Kool Aid.
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This discussion of Kool-Aid is educational.
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And very sad.
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I’m curious as to what kind of cookware people need to replace. Apart from cast iron or carbon steel, my daily use equipment includes a very inexpensive set from Costco and one-offs that I got on sale. All work well and most were bought without induction in mind (back in the last ice age). The only things that haven’t worked were really cheap (in all measures) items that were bought on a couple of vacation rentals.
But somehow offensive to some for mysterious reasons
Not willingly, at least according to what I read after you mentioned it.
Some stainless, most aluminum, copper, ceramic… anything a magnet won’t stick to.
""It can also be used ironically or humorously to refer to accepting an idea or changing a preference due to popularity, peer pressure, or persuasion. In recent years, it has evolved further to mean extreme dedication to a cause or purpose, so extreme that one would “drink the Kool-Aid…”
Indeed, that was the way I was using it. With an aspect of unthinkingly believing propaganda.
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Jonestown has always been my reference for that idiom.
Largely that people who drink the kool aide is known for their ignorantly blind loyalty.
Some of Jim Jones followers willingly drank the poisoned Kool Aid.
The phrase “drank the Kool Aid” refers to people who embrace a bad idea to their detriment.
Actually, I think the term is even more generic than that, essentially taking on a motif of “completely buying into a system, idea or philosophy in the most gullible way.”
At least that’s how most hoi polloi use it in common vernacular.
Of course the more educated (even dare I say “pedantic”) amongst the cognoscenti here may attach a different connotation to the term “drinking the Kool-Aid” but I dare say that most attach no such negative nor offensive meaning to it.
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My guess is that people find it offensive because it is a mockery of them bought into a particular narrative (wrong narrative) without independent evidence. I do not think most find it offensive because they were thinking about Jonestown.
If someone believes the Earth is flat, and I say “You drank the Kool-AId”. The guy is pissed not because he think I was making fun of Jonestown. He is pissed because he thinks I was making fun of his belief.
I mean. If we want to talk about that… what is more offensive than all these talks about “nuclear option”. Like what? Another bomb at HIroshima?
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