What's For Dinner #105 - the Start Your Gardens! Edition - April 2024

*Cottage pie.

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Sure, it really couldn’t be easier: grate a honk of Jarlsberg and half of a medium onion (big holes) into a bowl. Add TPSTO fresh ground black pepper, and just enough mayo to bind the dip. Like, probz less than a couple of tbsps, but I don’t measure. It’s all about the cheese. Serve with Triscuits. People destroy it.

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Movie night was fun - everyone loved the film, and I may have liked it even more the second time around. Two gals brought home-made hummus, and another lady a big veg tray with a veg dip. The beef brisket dip was not a crowd favorite WHODA TUNK! (we only bought it bc my PIC had a sample at Sam’s and liked it - weirdo!) :rofl:, but they made a good dent in the two hummi, the cheese dip and TJ’s dolma, which were less mushy than usual. The marinated artichoke hearts weren’t as popular with my guests as they were with me, but even I couldn’t finish them.

And so - having woken up with puttanesca on my mind & inspired by the many loverly pasta dishes here @MunchkinRedux, @tomatotomato, @LindaWhit et al they’ll be making an appearance in tonight’s dinner. Already looking forward :yum:

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Interesting - sort of like pimiento cheese but without the pimiento. I’ll have to give it a go the next time I have a gathering!

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2 cents

Shepherd’s Pie is always beef in Canada.

I know beef pie is Cottage Pie in the UK.

I think it’s safe to say unless the post is posted by someone who is British, or an Anglophile, it’s unnecessarily pedantic to correct a HO who lives in Canada or the States who calls their potato -topped beef pie Shepherd’s Pie.

Most Canadians don’t know what Cottage Pie is, and most Canadians would be unhappy if the Shepherd’s Pie they ordered at a pub or restaurant contained lamb instead of beef.

It’s sort of a type of sharp practice to be correcting what people want to call their own food on HO.

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Thank you for your Canadian 2c.

I believe Honkman is of German descent, and I would’ve thought he’d know. At least all of my foodie friends, regardless of their nationality, know that shepherd’s pie is made with lamb, and cottage pie with beef. I never considered this to be some sort of expert knowledge, but rather common :woman_shrugging:

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I’d think most HOs, despite knowing the difference between Cottage Pie and Shepherd’s Pie, refer to the beef one as Shepherd’s Pie unless they’re around a Brit, in the UK or around a stickler .
I think this is interesting. I will post a poll.

Did you know that Shepherd’s Pie refers to potato-topped lamb pie in the UK?

  • Yes
  • No
  • Don’t care
0 voters

Is it okay to call a potato-topped beef-filled pie Shepherd’s Pie?

  • Yes
  • No
  • Yes, but only when in Canada or the USA
0 voters

What do you call potato-topped beef pie?

  • Cottage Pie
  • Shepherd’s Pie
  • PâtĂŠ Chinois
  • Hachis Parmentier
  • Other- please mention other names
0 voters

There are 24 variations on cottage pie/ Shepherd’s pie/ hachis Parmentier listed in the wiki, also mentioning whether the pie is made with fresh meat or leftover roast. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherd’s_pie

Well, seems like we both have different thoughts on the subject :wink:

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Looks delicious!

I bought a little ground beef for bolognese for a tiny lasagne, but you are leading me astray!

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I always find it amusing which dishes people think need to be made “authentically” to be called by their name, and which don’t.

There’s often cuisine skewing in terms of where “correctness” is “required”. Or personal familiarity.

Remember the “authenticity” thread that got locked? :rofl:

(I mean, I’ll slap some doubanjiang on noodles and call them Sichuan-style :flushed:, and lord knows I see plenty of “indian” dishes that would never be recognized as such by any indian after the ingredient swaps, substitutions, and cooking method changes :joy:.)

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Yes, people often get emotional about the food they grew up with, be it about authenticity, or which version of a dish they are more familiar with.

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Cottage Pie is actually the ORIGINAL name for anything containing meat with a potato topping.

The name “cottage pie” was first used at the end of the 18th century. It was around that time that the poorer people of Britain, people who lived in cottages in the country, started using potatoes as an everyday food . Originally, a pie made with any kind of meat and a potato topping was called a “cottage pie”.

Sheep = shepherds herd them. That’s not hard to figure out.

Shepherd’s pie was attributed to a similar Scottish dish that used lamb or mutton rather than beef. Shepherd’s herded sheep, hence the name . The textured, mash potato topping also resembles the woolly fleece of a sheep.

Why not teach those that call everything Shepherd’s Pie that it’s called Cottage Pie if made with ground beef? I’d hope that Canadian chefs would know the different, and try and use the correct name of whatever they’re serving - with a description that it’s called Cottage Pie.

The Wiki is quite interesting.

I guess I don’t rely too much on internet research about the origins of the names of common foods.

There’s an alternate history for Shepherd’s Pie, involving then Canadian Pacific Railroad in the 19th C.

https://carrefour.ca/en/blog/2020/05/11/un-pate-qui-vient-de-loin/#:~:text=Shepherd’s%20pie%20was%20invented%20at,and%20inexpensive%20at%20that%20time.

The bigger issue for me, is that people should be able to call whatever they make for Dinner whatever they want to call it.

And I gave you a link that wasn’t Wikipedia. Do you want more? (And I see you just edited what you initially wrote, which is what I quoted.)

It is what it is. Cottage Pie was the original name; shepherd’s pie came from the Scots, using mutton or lamb.

And at this point, I’d like the WFD thread to move on to what people are having for dinner, vs. debating the names of dishes. Could we do that?

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Names, and the history of a dish usually mean something to passionate cooks.

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Chicken is on sale at my local Hannaford market this week. I sent a text to my sister, who’s sitting on a lake in western Maine, waiting for the eclipse. She said “YAY! I’ll stop by on the way home tomorrow to pick some up!” (We’re both down to only 3 chicken boobies in our freezers, and we’re both panicking. :rofl: )

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…pate chinois, for some reason. In fact, the first time I had it was at a youth hostel in the Gaspe.

Linda’s response slipped in. I was referring to “The same dish in France is named…”

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