Taiwan and Hong Kong report

We have managed to accomplish a relatively short but productive trip to Taiwan and Hong Kong. We have spent 5 days in each. While Taiwan greatly exceeded our expectations, Hong Kong fell somewhat short food wise. We still enjoyed both locations and recommend them very much for visit.

I will start with the specifics of experience in Taiwan:

From the get go we made a good decision of reserving a food tour of Taipei with a wonderful Taiwanese chef Ivy Chan (https://kitchenivy.com/). Fresh off the plane we met her for a breakfast/ lunch tour. It gave us a fantastic display of all things Taiwan food wise. We were so happy we involved her in our experience!

We started with Taiwanese breakfast at the street counter behind the Shuanglian MRT station 雙連站, exit 2 on the left if you are facing the station. It was shockingly good. I figured it was not a run of the mill place because few Japanese tourists were enjoying their breakfast at this “easy to pass by” place. Chopped and stewed pork belly over rice is a remarkable dish from the south of the island (Tainan?). The side of tofu and boiled egg was nothing special but the pork broth with Taiwanese lily flowers and fermented fish dumplings was probably the best thing I tried during this trip. It was full of rich umami flavor from the fish along with the distinct aroma of the lilies. I can have breakfast like this every day. I immediately bought a bag of dry lily flowers and use it in my home cooking now. Unfortunately I can not reproduce the fermented fish dumpling flavor! We walked along the lines of improvised street markets trying snacks and foods selected for us by Ivy. We have learned a lot about local vegetables and their use. We walked through the very busy part of town towards the historic section buying some oolong tea on the way (my request to Ivy). We ended up trying some other dishes from Southern Taiwan. Ivy is a native of Tainan and had very good insight on where they are served well. Fried mackerel soup was a delight. Eventually we ended up in Du Hsiao Yuen 度小月 in Dihua area, which is the oldest part of town. We tried some fantastic Tainan style noodles there. The rain was picking up and, immensely grateful to Ivy for the experience, we grabbed a cab to the hotel.

By the late evening we found more space in our stomachs to fill and headed to one of the locations of Din Tai Fung. My understanding is that quality wise they all are about the same. I just figured out the closest one map. It was located in the basement of the mall in the middle of the food court. The food court looked like a total clone of one of the Japanese chains (Takashimaya/Mitsukoshi/ Isetan etc). The wait was 40 minutes but we got in within 15 minutes while self entertaining with browsing the food counters. The dumplings were really good. Totally deserve the fame and the wait. We tried the classic ones and the ones with black truffles (!!!). There were real slices of truffles inside!!! Delicious eggplant side and cabbage side. The dumplings were not too big and if we would not have an eventful day we would have more… Highly recommend visiting one of the ubiquitous locations.

As is appropriate for a transpacific traveler we woke up at 4 am the next day. Our hotel was two blocks away from the most famous breakfast establishment in Taipei - FuHang. Arriving 6 am we spent about 35 minutes in line. The line is VERY long but moves rather fast. When we were coming out, the line was double with the majority of people in line being tourists. The place is very interesting, at least for the experience. I have enjoyed watching the line of vendors switching their communication from Chinese to English to Japanese and to Korean depending on their customers preference. As for the food: the salty soy milk was indeed salty. The notorious youtiao(Chinese donut?) was as usually greasy. The onion bun was pretty dry. Everything was up to the expectation, but not life changing.

With our luck, while the weather in Taipei is supposed to be pretty mild this time of the year, we were greeted with a wall or rain. We attempted to climb the Xiangshan mountain, but at a certain point realized that Taipei 101 can not be seen in the mist. Disappointed, we ventured to Longshan temple and continued to wander mostly covered streets. We found it to be a more pleasant experience and loved multiple street markets in the area. Slowly we approached the notorious Lao Shan Dong beef noodle place in Ximen. Beef noodle is something I was not going to like even before I tried it, so my expectations were completely fulfilled. Just not for my taste. The vegetable sides though, which you pick yourself from the glass cabinet, were terrific. Pork dumplings were not good: very thick dough with tasteless filling.

For dinner we made an impromptu decision to go to the restaurant with a self explanatory name - Really good seafood. Although it sounded very touristy the food was solid. You have two options:

  1. Pick one of the set menus which vary in price.

  2. Pick in season seafood by weight and tell how you want it to be cooked.

We found the set menus to be interesting and enjoyed a terrific multi course meal. The service was exceptional. They were bringing multiple small sides each of which was superb. I was especially impressed by the local version of kimchi without the pepper. Excellent sashimi, shark fin soup, 1/2 lobster, large clams, abalone, ext. All of it was about 100$/ person. A steal by the Manhattan standards! Totally worth it from all the aspects.

More to come.









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Look forward to the hong kong chapter!

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How does one book her food tour, is it separate website? Everything looks so good :yum:

I have included the link to her web site. She is very responsive and organized.

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Nothing her website about food tours , just private cooking classes. Unless I’m missing something.

If you email her, she will respond

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I absolutely adore Fu Hang - we have similar food items in Singapore, but the Taiwanese do their versions so very well that Singaporeans vacationing in Taipei often make a beeline for this place.

Soy milk with flatbreads was not a common breakfast meal in Taiwan or Singapore (as we are mainly Fujianese/Southern Chinese) until it was introduced by Northern Chinese refugees/emigrants post-World War II.

Since Singaporeans always wax lyrical about Fu Hang when they return from their Taiwan vacations, we started seeing copycats in Singapore like Yong He, which touts “Taiwanese-style beancurd drink with yutiao”!

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Tainan is the street food capital of Taiwan, somewhat akin to Penang for Malaysia.

My Taiwanese counterpart wrote a very useful guide to Tainan street food places for the Michelin Guide last Nov:

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The third day of our trip started with the visit to the National Palace Museum. The retreating troops of Gomindan brought to Taiwan the contents of the imperial treasury, which laid the foundation to this museum. I have seen the diverse reviews and opinions about the place. Honestly, we loved it! Even considering the fact that it was sunday and the crowds were more than excessive we still enjoyed the place and 3 hours passed just like a few minutes. Obviously you need to have at least basic knowledge of Chinese history and cultural concepts. The museum was located away from the central areas, but within a 15 minutes taxi ride there was the most anticipated restaurant of the trip. The place was highly recommended by Ivy and I made the reservation. Later I discovered that they have a Michelin star! Probably the cheapest Michelin starred restaurant I have been to ( maybe excluding Thailand…).

The name: Golden Formosa. Specialty: typical dishes of Northern Taiwan. Impression: Fantastic. It is a very busy place. The owner/ manager speaks some English and they have an English menu. They were willing to serve us smaller plates to try more dishes. I find it to be a very kind gesture because most of the plates were family style (running a bit ahead of the train we had a difficult time negotiating the same arrangements in Hong Kong). We have tried:

  • jellyfish salad (suggested by owner) - i have tried this textural dish many times before. This time it was probably the best seasoned.

  • steamed 1/2 taiwanese chicken. The largest plate we had. Very flavorful with delicious sweet and sour side sous.

  • deep fried pork ribs. Their celebrated dish is mentioned in all reviews. We liked it.

  • customary seasonal vegetable stir fry

  • Crab stir fry in house sauce. Very good with, I guess tamarind being the main component.

  • typical regional taro fried balls. Kind of a desert. although could qualify as just a main plate.

Make an effort to get there. Easy to combine with the Museum visit.

For dinner, once again impromptu, we went to Sichuan chain - Kai Fang (?). I could not find precise spelling in English. There are about 5 of them around Taipei. We went to the basement of the mall next to the train station. I have a weakness of eating Sichuan food whenever I see it in the sight. There was a 1 hour wait. Once we got in the service was very efficient. I almost always go for the same dishes, but there the menu was different. The dishes were ridiculously spicy. I hold spice pretty well but have to admit that to consume food in this place was a bit of a challenge. Vegetable sides were nothing special with an eggplant one was too spicy to eat. We risked trying deep fried intestines. The texture was good. No smell. But we could not eat it because of the spiciness. Same goes for the mushroom dish. You just can not taste the food. In my book, Sichuan food is something very different. As well I had a few sips of the most disgusting beer I have ever tried. It was red and sweet like syrup.

The next morning we headed for a 1 day trip to Kaohsiung. Very easy 1.5 hour bullet train ride. We were met by our driver Andy (I have his contact if someone is interested). We spent some time in Fo Guang Shan Buddhist Monastery (We liked it very much). Then Andy drove us to Cijin island. Once again we were out of luck with weather which prevented us from the long strolls along the beach there. We ended up on the “seafood street” in the most touristy section of the island. Interestingly the seafood street has only 3 restaurants. They looked very much the same. We have chosen the most sanitary looking one (honestly everything in Taiwan is very sanitary). You choose the shellfish/ fish by weight and they cook it for you the way they consider to be appropriate. The quality was very good. We tried one of my favorite dishes of the trip - clams with basil, some local crab stir fry and steamed fish with a local ingredient I have never encountered before - cordia plum. Tiny flavorful berries in salty brine were one of the best discoveries of the trip (along with dry lily flowers). They put them on steamed fish as an only seasoning. I bought a few jars in Taipei, but now found them in J-Mart in Queens. As well you can find them online. Give it a try!

We stayed overnight at the Marriott. The hotel is a pretty swanky high rise with panoramic views. The cost for one night - less than $100. Kaohsiung is indeed a very cheap bargain. The hotel clerc directed us to the most popular seafood restaurant in the area and after observing the lotus pond scenery in the sunset setting we repeated the lunch experience. We found an area around our hotel to be very pleasant to walk around with plenty of interesting establishments on the way. I can not tell you the name of the restaurant because it was written on a piece of paper in Chinese and I just had to show it to the taxi driver. He immediately knew where we were going. Same deal - you point to the creator in the tank and they cook it for you. Once again - the price is below any of my expectations.

The last day of our stay in Taiwan we returned to Taipei in the morning and were picked up at the station by another driver (Benson, I have his contact either). We headed to the Northeastern coast with mandatory visits to Yehliu, Jiufen, Shifen. It was sightseeing day rather than food day. We picked some random street staff in Jiufen not particularly deserving attention. We enjoyed a brief visit to Amei Tea House and would endorse it. Very touristy, but worth the stop. Not to eat, but to drink tea. Although maybe even to eat… Nevermind their propostrus claim for being inspiration for Spirited away. I have been to Dogo Onsen in Matsuyama, which was the real inspiration for Miyazaki…

After getting back to Taipei we went for dinner in Bib Gourmand marked Yunnanese restaurant - Jen Ho Yuan. I happen to love the food from Yunnan. It is not easy to come by in the US. I don’t even know if there is one, other than questionable noodle chains.

The pricing is a bit above average in Taipei, but the food is excellent. There is no english menu, but there is a Chinese one with the pictures. Just figure out what you want beforehand and point to the waiter. They are willing to give you smaller portions. The owner, who is a tall omnipresent woman from Yunnan in a suit, speaks rudimentary english. She was a bit surprised to see non-Chinese customers. Shrimp staffed green beans, deep fried mushroom shred, peas and chicken stir fry, some delicious beef stir fry. All good. Totally worth the effort to get there.

In conclusion, I would easily spend another 3-4 days in Taipei just to eat. I think exploring the other parts of the island must be fun.

Obvious question on everyone’s mind: did you go to night markets? Yes we did. We walked through. We picked some bites. Nothing stuck out. Wrestling through the crowd and standing in long lines for a small bite is not for us. Everyone around us seems to have a good time. So: yes, for the experience/ no for the food. Highly recommend watching one of my favorite food bloggers: Doobydobap. She has an insatiable enthusiasm for food with a well matching personality. I think the content is of an excellent quality. Her work on Taiwan is particularly inspiring.

Next will be the difficult part, Hong Kong…















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Why??

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my apartment is actually very close to Fu Hang so it’s not difficult to go for breakfast - provided that I wanted to spend time waiting in line. I do have to say, though, that their thick shao bing, which is their signature, wasn’t as good as before after Covid. The amount of sesame seeds and spring onions got cut so it’s easy to understand why it just wasn’t the same.

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the “seasonal vegetable stir-fry” you had at Golden Formosa is actually white water snowflake 水蓮. Haven’t seen it grown anywhere else and I always order it when I see it on the menu whenever I’m in Taiwan

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The opinions I am about to offer are my personal and in no degree represent an instruction to actions. My prior experience of eating Cantonese food is confined to Chinatowns of, initially, Chicago and, over the last 20 years, Flushing-New York. I have a good general concept of Dim Sum and some other basic dishes. On many occasions the individuals originating from the region of Greater Canton would tell me that “they do not think Dim Sum in NY is very different from the one in Hong Kong”. I was set to check this statement out. We had only 5 days to do it.

We had a very easy less than 2 hours flight from Taipei and a very breezy pass through passport control. The taxi took us to our first base in Kowloon. Very expeditiously we walked to Mak Man Kee where after a short wait we got seats at the communal table. We were told that we have to pay cash only about 10 times during this process. Nothing was wrong with the noodles or broth. The shrimp dumplings were very generously staffed while the dough was rolled extremely thin. But the dish was a bit overpriced and seasoned very mildly. Not sure if it is worth all the hype. We snaked on the both Australia Dairy Company caustards the next door. Nothing wrong with them, but nothing special either.

We had a very intense day of sightseeing. Later at night we walked to the nearby K11 mall where we had a rather small meal in Deng G Sichuan restaurant. I have mentioned my weakness for Sichuan flavors so it was a no-brainer where to eat. We had 4 small plates: eggplant, tofu, clams and the dish I always order - combination of tripe and beef/tongue in a very flavorful sauce. We shared 1 beer. The quality of the meal was exceptional. The flavors were on point and the tripe/beef dish was exactly as it supposed to be (The level of recently demised DaXi in Flashing Chinatown of the first year after opening). We got a bit of sticker shock with the charge of $160 US for 4 small dishes with 1 beer. Well… Prime location… Good food… Why not?

The second day we headed deeper into Kowloon and had lunch in Ming Court in Mong Kok . It has 1 Michelin star. All the reviews report excellent waiting, but we got a young lady who barely spoke English and on my request for recommendations could not understand why I was asking her. We placed an order with her, but I was uncertain if we made the right selections. Eventually we requested another waiter and I asked him that question. He immediately recommended some corrections to the order. I am afraid that if I would not be proactive our experience would not be as fulfilling. We got few special plates: Goose pastry (very good, I think it is the dish they are very proud of), crystal shrimp dumplings (good, but not sure if anything outstanding), one of their “multiple treasure” soups (probably has more symbolic than gastronomic value), pork ribs with tangerine and pomelo peel (while the ribs where delicious I did not taste any tangerin or pomelo), suckling pig (very good! one of the best I have ever had, they serve manageable size portions, which is very nice of them), and a casserole of bok choy/ mushroom/ tofu ( flavorful, perfect point of cooking, We managed to finish it!!!). Retrospectively It was probably the most satisfying meal we had in Hong Kong. The price was about $ 300 US without the alcohol. At that point we made the decision to concentrate on the higher end restaurants for the remaining 3 days.

For dinner we headed once again to Mong Kock for low/mid level Teochew place Noble Imperial. The last time we had the pleasure of eating Teochow food was about 10 years ago in Malacca. We liked it a lot then. It influenced our decision. We could not try any fish/ shellfish because it required preorder. I figured that there was enough food without preordering. One young lady spoke English and helped us with ordering. Very delicious goose liver. It is not exactly foie gras, but still a pretty decent plate to try. Sliced goose breast. Fatty but a bit too chewy. Fat was not rendered. We combined it with some sliced cuttlefish (wonder how they come up with such a combination). Side of daikon with goji berries. Steamed clams with the egg. The portion size is huge. We could not finish the meal. Every table had oyster pancake, but it was too much for us. The price was less than $100 US. I think the value is pretty good, but you need to be accustomed to this type of food and come with a bigger party. They were not happy about 2 of us occupying the table for many people.

The next morning we relocated to Wan Chai and headed to Macau for a day. The highlight was the pandas. One of them was not in a customary sleeping position and was pretty playful. The place by itself did not make any impression. Our decision to go there was more or less sudden and we did not do any planning. The macanese restaurant we tried - Solmar - was straight forward disgusting. Clearly a trap for Chinese tourists. Senseless low quality plates, such as clams with cream poured over. Please avoid. When the food is bad I lose interest in the location and we headed back to HK.

For dinner we had reservation in Kamecentre Roast Goose. The main shop. It was a pretty pleasant 25 minutes walk from our hotel. We passed multiple bars with heavily inebriated English clientele. After wondering a little we have arrived at the bowling alley (?!?!?) which hosts the restaurant inside. Very peculiar terrestrial combination. The restaurant host was, once again, a bit annoyed to service only two customers, while all the other tables were heavily packed by the large groups. English did not work well in this restaurant, so we just pointed to a few items on the menu. Roast Goose (Exceptional! probably the best I have ever tried!). We went for a fatty char sui (Very impressive as well! they were a bit shocked that the westerners ordered it. As well we were lucky that they still had it). Local green leafy vegetable, name of which I forgot (delicious). We ordered only 4 dishes, but they managed to forget one of them - goose liver. They were not as generous as Noble Imperial. It was a one slice deal. This time lightly roasted (the one in Noble imperial I believe was steamed). The bill was about $120 US. The portions were small. I think the place totally deserved the visit, but to make them happy be in a larger group.

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How many of you? You spent 300 USD for lunch at Ming Court??? What did you order???

We LOOOOOVE Noble Imperial. The oyster “pancake/fritter” is BY FAR the best dish, so you missed out. There are two types of “foie gras” - one marinated in Chinese wine and another in master stock. The Chinese wine version is vastly superior, so I hope that’s what you had. Each time we go it’s about 300 HKD per head no matter how much food we order.

The fatty charsiu at Kamcentre - the “first cut” - is just about my favorite in Hong Kong. Glad you went for it.

  1. Ming Court: the suckling piglet alone was above $60. With all the other thing and service fee came to 280-300$
  2. The goose liver - I believe the wine one. I have it on the picture above.

sorry I kinda skipped over the pics… :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah the goose liver was the one in wine. the one in master stock would come with a dark liquid.

Looking at your Kamcentre char siu… that didn’t look like the “first cut” as it would have come with a ring of fat around the edges. It’s a very distinctive look

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Well…
That it what we have requested… The English language communication is not their strong suite.
They even tried to worn us that it is too fatty…
Probably they made a decision for us… Still was pretty decent.

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Sounds like you had a pretty ‘normal/typical’ HK experience: some things were good, some were not, one or two exceptional dishes, and always the feeling you should have ordered differently or should have gone to a different restaurant.

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The next day we went for lunch to The Forum. This restaurant holds 3 Michelin stars, which they are not shy to remind you about on multiple occasions, including the large Michelin man on the wall along with 3 stars depiction. Another item they remind you many times about is the dried abalone, which is the chef’s specialty. There is a large pile of them on display. The service is very professional and on par with their Michelin status. They were kind enough to allow us to share 1 set of the signature menu plus recommended few dim sum items.

  • bird nest with crab meat egg whites and caviar

  • pork soup with fish maw, conch and melon

  • braised Ah yat abalone with goose web

  • chicken wing with crab meat and shark fin

  • baked sea whelk with curry sauce

  • sun dried sea cucumber with special sauce

  • foie gras and shrimp dumpling with noodle soup

  • papaya and snow fungus soup

All the dishes were beautifully presented. We enjoyed our lunch very much, but I had to browse through my notes to remember what exactly we ate. It is a bad sign, because the best meals we had in our life I can recite immediately after being awoken from the deep sleep. The flavors were very timid and I would not identify many components if I did not know that they were there. The dim sum items were solid, but not spectacular. The one I still remember was the beef and aged tangerine peel meatballs (although still did not taste any tangerine peel). As well there was one with the texturing contrast of steamed and fried rice paper. We did not overeat.

The dinner was at Moon Bay on the top of the Renaissance hotel in Wan Chai. The place has only 7 tables. Only one person on staff speaks English. We were immediately informed that their specialty is suckling piglet (which we knew). But even if we would preorder, we "would not get one because they do not have any today " (!?!?!?). Thank you very much for this valuable piece of information! Ok. What else? Everything else good required preordering. So what do we eat? Try Bombay Duck (which is actually a fish). We did. Small tender fish in fried batter. The stuffed crab shell (HK specialty). Steamed vegetables. The gentleman from the next table offered to share char sui, which we did. All the other tables had larger groups of people. Pretty much every one of them had a fried duck. We could not have one, because we did not preorder. We paid about $150 for our small dishes.

The last day we realised that we did not have a proper Dim Sam and went to Fook Lam Moon (one Michelin star) in Wan Chai, which is supposed to be one of the most famous one. Very stiff service. You have to order from the menu once again. For me it kills all the joy. Because the fun of the dimsum is to see the carts rolling around and to pick items you like. Not the case here. We wanted to have chicken in Huadiao wine, but could not have 1/2, because “they do not do it on Sunday”. We had to order the whole chicken and wait for 1 hour. We skipped it. Taro dumplings. Crispy pork belly. Curry squid. Meatballs. The dimsum items were not any different in quality from the NYC establishments.

The dinner was in Lai Ching Heen (2 Michelin stars). Probably the most accommodating restaurant in HK we have visited. They were willing to serve us whatever we want in the quantities we want. Maybe because it is a restaurant for tourists rather than for a local crowd…There is a view on the boardwalk, which is difficult to call spectacular. The interior is very beautiful. We tried small pieces of the suckling piglet (they served us 4 instead of the standard 6 pieces on our request). Deep fried shrimp toast (servers suggestion). Mushroom eggplant casserole. Duck breast. Mango pudding.

The food was good, but not exactly on 2 star level. The service was adaptable and polite. We enjoyed the experience. The price was lower than the two restaurants above.

Here goes my general feeling about the HK food experience. The secret of happiness is our ability to manage expectations. When the expectations are exceeded unexpectedly we have the best experiences. When they fall short we are disappointed. I did not manage my expectations well. I would definitely recommend HK for food related traveling, but here are a few pet peeves which bothered me during our time there:

  1. Need to preorder everything everywhere. Despite being a savvy (in my personal opinion only) restaurant eater I did not figure it out before going to HK. I have visited the restaurants in the past with such a requirement but they were exceptions rather than rule. In HK it is a rule. I understand the financial basis for this requirement, but it is still extremely annoying. Communication is not always straightforward. The language barrier does not help. In the end you did not get what you came for. In my 50-something visited countries I have not encountered anything similar. As well, preordering kills the fun. You have to stick to your preorder and you can not change it if you find something more interesting instead.

  2. Other than Dim Sum HK is not a place for single or small group travelers. As I mentioned before we always had a feeling of being shamed for occupying a large table. It may be straight forward paranoia, but does not help the dining experience. Many restaurants simply do not have the tables for small groups of people. The large tables were getting all the attention of the staff. Every time we needed the attention of the waiter we would have to fight for it (not a case with the Michelin starred ones).

  3. Other than Dim Sum it is difficult to try many different dishes. The size of portions is very large and it is intended for large groups. These plates are expensive. On the menus I found plates costing 50-100$ US regularly. We are not in the habit of trying a little bit and discarding the rest (which, by the way, I have observed in some pricy restaurants in HK). So we were restricted to trying plates with more manageable size. The restaurants in some places would not give us smaller portions. There are always better or worse plates. For the reason above we ate less dishes and did not develop a good sense of the places.

  4. Although Cantonese food is not new to me, I still find the seasoning of most of the dishes to be very timid. It is a case, for example, with the 3 Michelin star The Forum. Maybe my western palate is accustomed to different tastes, but I did not have this problem in Taiwan.
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