Okonomiyaki

I was watching youtube last night, just looking for some new ideas. The presenter made a “budget version” of okonomiyaki. The main ingredient being regular cabbage. I’m thinking about trying this next time I see cabbage on sale or clearance.

I’m looking for opinions about this dish. Have you ever made it at home?? Did you like it?? I understand there is a “special sauce” that can be somewhat duplicated with ketchup and Worcester sauce??

It doesn’t seem all that difficult for a novice home cook (like me) to make this.

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I’ve made it dozens of times and eaten it much more often. What’s most important to know is that there are two basic types…Hiroshima-style and Osaka/Kansai-style. Both are very good, but quite different. Hiroshima-style is, IMHO, more difficult to make as the base batter is spread out crepe-style and less forgiving.

Osaka/Kansai style is basically all mixed in. However, if you use pork for the meat, you put that on the griddle/frying pan and then place the batter mixture on top of it. If you use seafood, mixing it in the batter along with the cabbage, etc is fine.

As for sauce, mixing Worcestershire sauce with ketchup is OK, but I wouldn’t do it. If you can’t get okonomiyaki sauce, an absolutely perfectly acceptable alternative is tonkatsu sauce. For Hiroshima-style, the sauces are quite a bit different from Osaka/Kansai-style in taste…but the difference is hard to describe.

“Okonomiyaki” translates to “cook to your liking”, though and to be brutally honest, there are no rules written in stone about the recipe.

However, I lived in Osaka/Kansai and Tokushima for approximately 20 years and because of that, I have a biased preference for Osaka/Kansai-style.

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Thank you @TokushimaCook

Very much appreciate your input.

I’ll probably start with an all vegetable Okonomiyaki and make my mistakes/learning curve on that (without wasting any meat).

I’ll do some more research on the Osaka/Kansai version as that sounds like it would be more towards our liking.

Thank you, again!!

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FWIW, here’s Cooks Illustrated’s recipe for homemade Tonkatsu sauce:

1/4 t. dry mustard
1/2 t. water
1/4 c. ketchup
1 T. Worcestershire sauce
1 t. soy sauce

Mix mustard powder with water until smooth. Add remaining ingredients and mix thoroughly.

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You’re welcome.

Vegetarian or not, eggs will be required. Though it wasn’t the case when okonomiyaki was originally created decades and decades ago, IMHO, mayonnaise is a requirement as a topping. And though I love Best Foods mayo, for okonomiyaki, Kewpie is also a must. I also always put bonito flakes on it as well as aonori, a type of very fragrant seaweed it as well, I wouldn’t say it is a must. Unfortunately, IMHO, the type of nori used for sushi rolls isn’t a viable alternative for me. But as they say, YMMV.

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In case anyone else still has questions, this might help! :smiling_face:

@Desert-Dan @TokushimaCook or @MunchkinRedux ; is this somewhere in the ball park?

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Disclaimer: I have never had okonomiyaki prepared by someone who really knows what okonomiyaki is, although I’ve made it a lot. My okonomiyaki, to a true Japanese, might be laughable, but it is oishii!

I usually use plain ol’ cabbage because that’s what I typically have on hand. I almost always have green onions too, so they go into the bowl. Scour the vegetable bin for anything that looks like it might work, too. Grate a carrot? Why not. A few sad litttle bean sprouts? Perfect! Got a bell pepper that needs to be used? I’ve added worse. A beet? I think I’d draw the line before the beet, though. There are no measurements because it’s basically what you have on hand and how much you want to make.

Make a thin batter (the last few years I’ve been cheating and just used Kikkoman’s tempura-ko (packaged tempura batter mix), but it’s easy to throw together a savory batter with flour, salt, and some baking powder for a bit of lift, and add the batter to the bowl of veggies. If I’ve actually planned well enough, I’ll have some tempura bits (the little bits of batter that break off in the oil and most people skim and toss). Peel a few shrimp and cut them into fingertip-sized chunks, maybe a bit of leftover chicken, or whatever. Literally whatever. I mean, it IS ‘okonomi’, right? Whatever you want, boss! I add eggs, typically an egg per serving, and mix, mix, mix.

Get out a frying pan that will fit it all. For a single serving, I use an 8" pan. Two servings fit well in a 10", and four servings go in the 12-incher. Bring the pan up to temperature (medium heat), add some oil, and dump it all in. Pat everything into an even layer and let it cook. Depending on how thick it is, it may take a little time. If your flipping skills are really good, now is the time to show them off to flip the entire thing over. If not, use a plate to flip.

While it’s cooking, make some okonomi sauce if you haven’t purchased it. I combine oyster sauce, ketchup, shoyu, and sugar - sometimes with a little sriracha for a kick - to taste. When you remove the okonomiyaki from the pan, slather it with your sauce and give it a heavy drizzle of mayo, preferably Kewpie if you can get it. Toss on some shreds of nori and katsuoboshi, and dig in.

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I cut up the flavored nori sold in packets for snacking to sprinkle on the top of this, as well as the bonito flakes, kewpie and okonomiyaki sauce and additional sprinkles of pickled ginger and scallions to that inside. I do not use any meat in my okinomiyaki, IMO is does not need it, so much flavor going on already. Non-orthodox and probably heretically I also slice onion and cut my cabbage into slivers rather than squares and saute it a bit before adding the batter. More like egg fu yung.

The flavor combo is great and nutritionally its a pretty good meal.

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Thank you for the advice.

It appears this week’s grocery sales start on Friday (because of Thanksgiving), so I’m going to watch for cabbage. I can’t wait to try this out.

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As others have mentioned above, seems okonomiyaki is extremely versatile. If you make it not according to whatever standards, just say its the xxxxx version.

This menu may give you some idea of ingredients to add. Myself, I think SPAM would work well with the flavor profile.

For myself, the better part of Okonomiyaki is sitting at the counter facing the flat top and watching the chef build the orders. Simple ingredients, time proven techniques, stomach filling goodness.

Some good fatty American bacon would work for me.

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I like SPAM and always keep some in stock. After I get the hang of this, I definitely try it with SPAM.

I keep SPAM in my “power outage” food box and rotate stock from time to time. When we have a power outage, I keep the Fridge and Freezer door closed (to keep the cold air in there), so the food can last longer. I’ll cube & fry some SPAM on my butane camp stove and mix it with boiled pasta and a splash of olive oil. This creation is kind of a running joke when the power goes out.

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I forgot two other details. First, I use dashi to make the batter. Also, most recipes I’ve found call for some yamaimo/nagaiimo (mountain/long yam) to be grated into the mix, too, but since I rarely have it on hand and buying it requires a stop at a market I don’t frequent, I leave it out.

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Thanks… Yes, I have some dashi in stock. It was a given to us by a friend that didn’t end up using it in a recipe, so I’ll definitely try it.

Yes, I was reading about the Mountain/Long Yam (in a recipe) and the writer suggested using some cornstarch in its place.

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Where is this?

Pictures from two Okonomiyaki places in Hiroshima.

Looking over the photos, come to realize that neither had the Kewpie mayo grid. Must be one of the differences between Osaka and Hiroshima styles?

Noticed that the one we had in Okayama right before this didn’t have Kewpie neither. Since we were not carving out bites directly off the flatop, it was served on a hot skillet. Nice touch.

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Just so that you know, the okonomiyaki you @Google_Gourmet ate/pictured is Hiroshima-style. It’s delicious to be sure, but so.very.different from Osaka/Kansai-style. It ALWAYS includes noodles (usually the type used for yakisoba, but the photos seem to show udon). Noodles can be added to Osaka/Kansai-style, but then the name of the dish changes to “Modernyaki”.

As for Spam and/or bacon, it’s my personal belief that they (especially Spam) is much too salty for okonomiyaki.

Regarding mountain yam, it’s nice to have it in the batter, but not a requirement. When I’m in a rush, I use Bisquick for the batter and have never had anyone notice it. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend other pancake mixes because they are sometimes a bit sweet.

And lastly, a bag of pre-chopped cabbage destined for cole slaw works great in okonomiyaki as does bagged stir fry vegetables. I highly recommend both of them! Also, I think okonomiyaki needs diced or shredded pickled red ginger in it. In a pinch, sushi ginger would be OK, but not my first choice at all.

Edit: Interesting about the lack of Kewpie or any other mayonnaise. When I arrived in Tokushima in 2009, two elderly friends took me to a long-standing okonomiyaki shop. There was no mayonnaise on the table and if one wanted it, there was an extra cost of ¥20 per package. I was shocked and my elderly friends informed me that when they were young, no one used mayonnaise on okonomiyaki at all. To me. that’s blasphemy! :joy:

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I make okonomikayi every once in a while when I have cabbage on hand (usually pre-shredded from the supermarket). The other ingredients are usually on hand in the pantry and I usually have some pork belly strips in the freezer. I usually follow the Osaka style okonomiyaki recipe from Japanese Soul Cooking by Tadashi Ono and Harris Salat, which I also have found paraphrased online here:

Like @tokushimacook noted, there is also the Hiroshima style that has noodles. I make that sometimes when I have some yakisoba noodle packets.

Re: the sauce - usually I just use bottled Okonomiyaki sauce. If that is hard to find, Just One Cookbook has a recipe for one here:

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Does anyone know what happened to him? When he opened Ganso, I used to go for ramen all the time. In the beginning he was there all the time and I would say hello. Then he expanded to an izakaya and sushi spot and then everything suddenly collapsed.

I like the sauce recipe, but rather than sugar, I might add some jam/marmalade. If one likes spicy sauces, pepper jelly might be an option. I say jam/marmalade because okonomiyaki sauce is often made with concentrated fruit juices.

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Just One Cookbook’s sauce recipe is solid. I’ve made it often.

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