Meat sauce for pasta

In a What’s for dinner thread there was mention of making an easy meat sauce. I did a search and sauce threads on Bolognese (Hazan) and another on half ass ragu came up. I have no doubt there are plenty of others, but since my search hit all around it but not spot on, what the heck…new thread.

I make soffrito with carrots, celery, and red onion in olive oil. You could sweat some minced but not too long. I usually skip the garlic. Add meat and brown it. I like it when I have a little ham to mince and toss in. Crush a can of peeled tomatoes, Cento, in my fist and add some concentrated tomato paste. Grind fennel seed, nutmeg, and black pepper and add them. A hearty splash of white wine. Pinot Gris is almost always on hand. Simmer until the raw wine taste goes away. Sometimes I stir in a few tbsp. of Mexican crema before serving. Put the pasta, usually tagliatelle, in a bowl with some sauce and a little of the salty pasta water. Grate some Parm. Toss and serve. Save the extra sauce for another dinner or some sloppy Joex. I welcome alternatives or tweaks.

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I like it more Bolognese style with very little to no tomato (sometimes a bit of tomato paste) and diary (milk or cream) added throughout the cooking. Splendid Table has a good variation

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I made this Bolognese sauce recipe in the Instant Pot a while back and I thought it came out quite well:

It’s not quite traditional.

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I like Bolognese but am often looking for something quicker and tomato-ier with a more Italian-American flavor profile. Here’s where I landed last time and was very pleased with the results:

1 medium onion, chopped finely
4 cloves garlic, minced (I did these and the onions in the mini chopper)
1/4 c olive oil
2 bay leaves
1 lb ground beef
1 small can tomato paste
1 can stewed tomatoes (I used Tutorosso, which seem sweet)
1 large can crushed tomatoes (ideally with some texture; I used Furmano’s)
Pinch red pepper flake
1 tsp dried oregano
Salt and pepper to taste
1 tsp soy sauce
1/2 tsp MSG, optional

In a large saucepan saute the onions and garlic in the olive oil with the bay leaves. Add the ground beef and brown*, breaking into small pieces. Stir in the tomato paste and allow to cook a few minutes until lightly caramelized. Add the remaining ingredients (crush up the stewed tomatoes) and simmer with the lid askew until ready to serve – ideally at least 15-20 min.

*I sprinkled the meat with a little Montreal steak seasoning while it cooked.

Somewhere an Italian nonna is turning in her grave, but we liked it.

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For a (relatively) quick meat sauce for pasta, I use fresh sausage, and then alongside the recipe below. I don’t often have fresh cream at home, so I’ll do mostly a few tablespoons of canned Mutti tomato pulp. And of course you can use any pasta you like, one that fits a meat sauce. I like to use penne.

Not many ingredients, as typical for Italian cuisine, and also because for a quick sauce I don’t like to do a lot of work. Very tasty, in fact this post has made me want to put fresh sausages on my Saturday shopping list!

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Love it. When I was a kid and everyone was heading in because it was getting dark, the scent of sauces like this filled the hallways in our apartment buildings. I often make a similar one, but I substitute anchovy paste for the soy and MSG.

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I make a Greek-style macaroni with meat sauce, with cinnamon in the sauce.

Non-Italian spaghetti and other pasta

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@ChristinaM 's recipe is similar to what I do for a quick, tomato-forward sauce. I generally go with an Italian seasoning blend and/or fresh basil if I have it rather than straight oregano. If I have a parmesan rind, I’ll throw that in during simmering. Always some type of alcohol (any color wine or sometimes white vermouth) and a touch of butter to finish - both are essential, IMO, to bring out all the flavor of tomatoes.

Speaking of tomato-forward, I find Marcella Hazan’s Bolognese too tomato-y for my taste - I mean, it’s good, but it’s not really what I’m looking for in a true Bolognese. I prefer to use tomato paste as the tomato component, and not a whole lot of it.

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Well, “true” Bolognese doesn’t contain any tomato, does it?

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I don’t think I’ve met a meat sauce I wouldn’t eat (though lumpy meat is a minor deterrent).

But, if I’m being honest, my favorite meat sauce for pasta is Indian Kheema, lightly spiced with cumin, coriander, and chilli, plus the usual aromatics

I do love a Marcella Hazan-style bolognese. She has a few versions, I prefer the one where the milk goes in first because of the the silkiness it imparts to the meat, but I think I also find that version a bit shy on tomato flavor (maybe because the mirepoix vegetables are in generous proportion).

Have yet to try “white” bolognese, though it has done the rounds a few times over.

Don’t love a heavy hand with herbs in a meat sauce, where the dominant flavors are italian seasoning more than aromatics and meat.

Quick cheat: sauté ground meat with onion & garlic, pour in some Rao’s arrabiatta, add pasta, eat

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In her first book, “ The Classic Italian Cook Book, the aromatics are considerably less. For 3/4 lb . beef, the celery, carrot, onion are only 2T each.
I also prefer adding the milk first, tames the wine.

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For me, the best meat sauce for pasta is carbonara.

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I’m with you on this one. I’ve never been a fan of the long cooked Bolognese type of sauce. I’m also not generally a fan of things like pot roast or beef stews. Clearly, those very well cooked/braised flavors are not my thing.

Some crispy, herby porky nuggets studding a salty, creamy sauce? Sign me up.

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what an “authentic” bolognese contains is a topic of century old feuds between neighboring towns . . .

apparently, “taste great” is not an acceptable peacemaker phrase . . . .

"I usually skip the garlic. "

Heretic!

My understanding is that it traditionally contains just a very small amount of tomato, more for color than flavor. “White” bolognese, with no tomato at all, is also a thing, but even the type with tomato is primarily a meat sauce, not a tomato sauce.

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Vincenzo from “Vincenzo’s Plate” on YouTube was commenting on someone else’s meat sauce, and liked the idea of chicken livers in it.

Don’t shoot the messenger!:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Yeah, I think I add a blob of tomato paste when I start it. I have no recipe to share bc I don’t really use one for meat sauce. It seems rather self-evident, and easy to tweak according to one’s personal preferences.

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I used to live in Venice and spent a lot of time in Italy, mainly from Tuscany north, but close to a month in Naples. I only noticed garlic in Naples.

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Chicken liver makes a delicious dressing for pasta without any (other) meat too.

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