Some records of India trip from 2016

I am posting some records I found in my files from my past travels. I have probably posted them on Chawhound in the past. May be they are still useful, although things may have changed…

We have traveled the traditional rout Delhi-Rajastan-Agra- Kajuraho - Varanasi. We are thankful to “Castle and Kings” for their services during the trip. Before departure I have found a paucity of a valid information regarding food in India which led me to compiling this opus.

Some general comments first:

We very much enjoyed our trip to India. We have managed to try some interesting food. We had no gastrointestinal issues following some basic precautions. Despite that I can see how India may be very intimidating for an unprepared traveler.

India is not a food paradise. Because the most of the population has rather low standards of living, eating out for average Indian individual is something unusual. The restaurants mostly cater to foreigners and usually do not exist as a concept outside of bigger cities and common tourist routs. Since most of the Indians have very limited understanding of what “westerners” like to eat, the food in establishments geared towards them is somewhat bizarre. It is neither Indian or “western” and is, as a rule, not what you are looking for.

Another reason to avoid “safe” food places is a common culture of deception which will certainly irritate you through out the time of traveling in this fascinating country. For the delicious masala chai, which can cost 10-30 rupees for Indian, you will be charged 70 rupees. In one case, for a cup of tea the Indian person in front of me was charged 40 rupees. I was next and was charged 180(!?!?!) rupees. To my comment about such a differential, my guide replied: “Isn’t it how it is elsewhere in the world?”. To be honest, none of the numerous people I met in India ever travelled outside of the country. On multiple occasions we were given larger portions or more expensive items than we actually ordered and were charged accordingly. When the problem was acknowledged, the response was usually shoulder shrug or some senseless explanation about how it was “done for our own good”. In no case there was an assumption of responsibility or attempt to rectify the situation on the part of the restaurant.

You can state your interests in food and wish to try something specific to your guide/driver. But you should have no doubts that you will be brought to the “tourist joint” with very disappointing food because it will have some underlying benefit for your guides or drivers. This is how they make their living. You should be ready for that and to develop a strategy of dealing with it. In many cases because of time constrictions we just went along without argument. Stumbling onto the great place by chance in India is an impossibility.

Some of the hotels you will stay in will have a very good food. Usually there will be a correlate with how fancy your hotel is, but not necessarily. One of the most disgusting meals we had was in grossly overpriced Surayaday Haveli in Varanasi.

This is my humble advice:

  1. Do your research in advance.

  2. Know what you want precisely.

  3. Give a very direct instruction with the name and address of the place to your guide/ driver. In many cases they will try dissuade you. Keep your course!

  4. Please be aware that many places deserving your attention are only open for the part of the day - please investigate it before going there.

  5. Forget “American” green salads - danger! Avoid uncooked vegetables, fruits, ice in restaurants. You can always buy some fruits and vegetables in the numerous street markets. Please clean them yourself and eat in your hotel. We found them to be very good in quality and strictly seasonal.

  6. While in restaurants, enjoy delicious breads and curries. If it does not look safe - please do not eat it!

  7. Eat meat at your own risk. We tried to avoid it, unless in high end restarts. In any case it is only chicken or goat (deceivingly called “mutton”) with occasional lamb.

  8. Carry napkins and fork (You will thank me for this advice).

  9. Few words on Indian alcohol: most of the locally distilled spirits have a strange aftertaste likely because it made with rectified spirits. As well it is inappropriately expensive and usually coasts more than the meal. Neither Hindu or Muslim people do not drink, so government has a field day with foreigners and drinking Indians applying multiple taxes. Please do the smart thing and get a bottle or two of your preferred alcohol in duty free shop before boarding you flight.

Now the specifics:

DELHI

Old Delhi: Could be a great food destination, but the general anti-sanitary feeling cannot escape you while you are stumping over the eternal carpet of garbage covering the ocean of a garbage juice in the old city. I am not very squeamish and had my share of a food in an iffy environment (such as Afghanistan, Cambodia or rural Andes). Unfortunately it was too much for my wife and she simply refused to eat in Old Delhi.

3 places there stock in my mind:

Chaina Ram - right next to Fatehpuri Masjid. Puri with aloo and chaina concoction is fantastic. I felt it was one of the safest places to eat in Old Delhi. Their sweets are less impressive.

Giani’s - Dal Halwa is good, but too rich for most of the westerners. I recommend to try Rabra Faluda, but please skip the ice. As well do not look how they mix it or you may not be able to make yourself to eat it. I had their salty lassie as well. Despite my objection they added some water. I have survived. They said: all the water is filtered….

There was a place on Chandi Chowke making very delicious samosas with the fresh peas, rather than with potatoes. Unfortunately I do not remember the name. It was really good. As well they make fresh jalebies to order. Those are a bit too heavy for my taste.

I did my food investigation of Old Delhi in the morning and the most of food counters were closed. I am sure there are some other good stalls, I just did not try them.

Andra Pradesh Bhavan was our first meal in India. It was deceivingly good and we had a mistaken impression that all of the food in India will be like that. The place is very popular, very cheap, very safe and is an experience by itself. Do not be intimidated by line. Please make it there. Just figure out the time it is open.

Assam Bhavan - was not as good and not as cheap as the Andra Pradesh bhavan, but still not bad. Where else outside of Assam would you try food from Assam?

Indian Accent: this was one of the most ridiculous places we visited. Glorified version of the “tourist joint”. All the hype is absolutely not worth it. Not the best version of western food mixed with a very timid amounts of Indian spices. The only delicious items were the purely Indian ones - dal, breads, samosa. Our tasting menu left us very puzzled. The first experience with Indian alcohol - mixed drinks - was very unsatisfying.

Bukhara: We managed to visit the this restaurant between the planes on our return leg. They do not take reservations after 8 pm. Our NYC flight was leaving at 1:45 AM. So we had some time to kill. After waiting in a madhouse of the line for 90 minutes we were assigned a table. May be we got too hungry while waiting, but the food was as good as expected. We ordered the grilled chicken on the bone rendition. It was spiced and cooked to perfection. Their famous dal was up to the expectations as well. I have to mention that we visited Peshawri restaurant in ITC Agra. It is a restaurant with the identical to Bukhara menu. But the food quality and service are not even close. Outside of being exceptionally expensive for India, this place absolutely deserves a visit. You can try to make a reservation in the earlier time not to spend a time in the queue like us.

UDAIPUR:

It is one of the more attractive towns in India because of a very unusual for the region biggish body of water in the middle of it. Interesting architecture and night lighting add to the charm. Food does not. We tried a samosa from supposedly reputable vendor on the market. Not good. It was undercooked with raw tasting dough. I had to spit it out. I suspect that I made a very unfavorable impression on surrounding Indian gentlemen enjoying their afternoon samosas. Our guide was sincerely shocked by my interest in the street food of India to begin with and did not get surprised by my action.

I decided to give it another try in Egg World, once again to the “shock and awe” of our patient guide. The Egg World is a little stretch of the street with the multiple vendors serving the similarly appearing egg based dishes. Our guide assured me that he knows who “the original guy” is. ( Off note: In general it is a peculiar practice in India. Every popular street food joint is usually surrounded by a dozen of impostors with exactly the same name and menu. So please make sure you can recognize the original one!) In this case we found the guy easily because of the multiple posters, flyers and reviews exhibited around his cart. Boiled egg bhurji (curry) certainly deserves to be tried. It is not a whole, but chopped egg with onion and tomatish tasting media. Delicious, but not a trend setter. That is why you will not find it elsewhere.

To remove any hope for remains of my sanity in our guides optimistic outlook I insisted on visiting the food vending area on the shore of Fatehsagar to drink masala chai. I mean, the masala chai sold on every corner by multiple vendors. The guide changed his attitude towards my interests ones he tried the tea. It was indeed fantastic! Pipping hot! with some ginger! I am glad we drove there.

Now I can tell you how we did not stay hungry in Udaipur. This town was our splurge location, so we stayed in Lake Palace. It came out to be one of our best decisions. The hotel is mind blowing. The food is incredible. Neel Kamal restaurant provided exceptional Rajastani thali meal. The breakfast included perfectly executed variation of every Northern and Southern Indian breakfast food. The problem is that you can enjoy it only if you stay in the hotel. Outsiders are banned. If you have an intention to splurge - pick this hotel.

JODHPUR

Shahi Samosa would be the most important food joint in town. Easy to find by enormous crowd of snaking around people, a few hundred yards down through the gates from the Clock Tower. Just few items: famous samosa with cashews and raisins, kachori with onions (I liked it the best), mirchi vada (did not try). Mr. Shah can be observed resting on the bed behind the money counter.

As well there is a dearly beloved by locals lassie joint closer to the tower. The lassie is sweet and cardamoni.

JAIPUR

Lassiwalla - the very left one, when facing the long line of lassie joints with the exactly same name (see above in Egg World in Udaipur section). The best lassie I have ever tried. I prefer salty or plain version, although people of India certainly prefer the sweet one. If you are willing to try one street food in India - this is the one. I have returned to the stall 3 times over 3 days.

Indiana - restaurant serving grilled meat. The owner spent most of his life in US, so the food has more appeal to “westerners”. In the same time it tasted good and authentic. Despite the general touristy feel, I think it is not a bed choice for Jaipur.

Suvarna Mahal - the fanciest place in Jaipur. Located in Taj property Rambagh Palace. It is a drive from the Old City. Spectacular room. The food is very good, but not spectacular. In the same price category restaurant in Lake Palace and Bukhara were much better. As well the service is somewhat cold and more attentive to the individuals ordering from the wine list. We sipped the Indian wine from Sula winery, but it was so bad, that we decided to skip the alcohol altogether. I recommend to visit the restaurant for experience. Fortunately they welcome outsiders, unlike Taj Lake Palace.

Laxmi Mishthan Bhandar - The famous local institution. Very unassuming from outside. Grandiose selection of sweets, including the famous ghewar (of a gargantuan size). The restaurant is vegetarian. We had thali. It was OK. They gave us a small portion of ghewar. OK as well.

Rawat Misthan Bhandar - excellent sweets, but a ride from the old city. Not sure it is worth it. I think LMB is a very good substitute without the long drive.

AGRA

Nothing to talk about. It is a very touristy city. We had very intensive day with limited food opportunities. Very disappointing lunch in one of the worst representatives of the “tourist joints” described above. To be honest, our very good guide took a full disclaimer and we ended up there because of the intense schedule. Dinner in Peshawri: as I have already mentioned, it is a less impressive version of Bukhara. There is no problem with meal, just nothing special. The customers around us appeared to be very disappointed for a variety of reasons.

VARANASI

This is another challenging town to eat. Benaresi food is well known around India mostly because it is the site of Hindu pilgrimage. The pilgrims have to eat something and they usually share their positive experience around the country. Although the town should be on the list of every visitor to India, the food and the housing are a significant problem for “westerners”.

We managed to spend a night in horrendous hotel - Surayaday Haveli. Located on the Ganges, but in part of town not exiting you about nocturnal wondering, it somewhat confines its clients to the meal inside. The food was truly revolting. Unseasoned mush of gastrointestinal color. The (extremely unusual for India) stale bread. Waiter did not remember what we ordered. In the morning we had the worst breakfast experience ever culminating in an instant coffee. We vacated the premise and our tour operator moved us to Ramada, which happens to be one of the better hotels in town. The service and food there were much satisfying. During our stay in Ramada, Indian celebrity Lata Mangeshkar stayed there, making us to think that it is one of the best places in town.

Benresi lassie are very well known. Most of the accessible locations near the ghats are catering to tourists. It is very obvious from the first look. Blue Lassie is the most recognized. We liked it, but not as much as Lassiewalla in Jaipur. I have checked out another place in Bengali quarter, but they disappointed me. I have requested the salty lassie. It was made by adding excessive amount of salt to the sweet one. As well the place doubles as a tourist agency…

Now I have to mention that Varanasi was a site of one of the best meals I had. Kashi Chaat Bhandar is located on the road leading to Dashashwamedh Ghat. You would benefit from someone pointing it out to you. Very unassuming, but very crowded. If you are lucky, you can get a seat at one of the communal tables. Does not look very sanitary, but is pretty safe. Every one of three items on the menu deserves to be tried. Tikka chat and tomato chat as fantastic and as authentic as it gets. Puni puri is a very delicious, but a bit iffy, because it involves sprinkling with spiced (but usually not boiled) water. I have survived.

Off note, I would like to mention a very positive food experience in Sher Bagh Camp in Ranthambore National Park . All the products were sourced from the their own garden and farm. Very simple, but perfectly cooked food made with superb produce.

That concludes my review of visited food establishments. There is a plenty of good food and products in India, but unfortunately finding it requires some mental labor prior to you trip.

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Sounds like a memorable trip.

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We decided to transit through Delhi for a few days on our way to Nepal in 2009 and, sadly, it was one of the toughest trips we’ve ever taken. So many bad things happened on that trip that any good food experiences we had were overshadowed.

My Indian friends told me afterwards that we should’ve skipped Delhi and headed straight to Kerala or Goa.

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Really? Delhi-Agra-Jaipur is called the Golden Triangle for a reason. I’’m surprised someone would recommend a first-time visitor skip it.

Goa and Kerala are known for their beaches, easily found elsewhere. A thousand-odd years of history in the center of a city, less so.

But I guess it depends on the visitors and the goals of the trip

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We didn’t make it to Jaipur but we did go to Agra in our short time in India. The Taj Mahal was probably the worst travel experience we’ve ever had—too painful to recount here. By the time we gained entrance, we couldn’t fully appreciate the beauty, though we tried hard to.

We were used to “difficult” travel, having visited every country in Southeast Asia prior to visiting India. We don’t like just lounging around for our vacations.

ETA: I’d be willing to go back and check out other regions but I think it would be tough to convince B to return.

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Very interesting experiences and observations. Our son spent an unguided month in India when he was 19. While he traveled on a much less expensive level than your visit, he somehow found enlightening and satisfying meals in every city and region. I doubt he ever had a guide so probably avoided some of the touristy dining rooms you found so disappointing.

Sometimes fools rush in…

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I’m sorry you had a bad travel experience. Mars any trip. I learned this week that my friends got robbed in Rome and my cousin got mugged in Istanbul (by someone in cahoots with his hotel staff); I’ve narrowly escaped similar myself traveling around Europe in younger days.

There’s a meme that’s been going around with the tag “India is not for beginners” and maybe it’s true. I’ve been recommending friends use western travel agents and package tours (of varying customization) to cushion themselves against their own expectations based on travel elsewhere. It’s a cheap destination, so it doesn’t add much cost.

There’s backpacker india, luxury travel india, and then everything left in the middle — that last group seems to be where travel expectations from elsewhere don’t translate, but is well-serviced by lots of professionals.

The difference with Southeast Asia is that those economies are driven almost entirely by tourism. It’s important in India, but it’s not what the country runs on (plus indian tourists outnumber foreign tourists by a large multiple). Southeast Asia is actually one of the first foreign trips for middle and upper middle class indian tourists — close by, cheap flights, cheap in country, and now even food-friendly because of the huge number of indian vegetarian tourists.

Reminds me of my expectations vs reality when I traveled to Tunisia — nothing could be booked online, even my flight had to be booked via a travel agent (I had to swap a piece of paper for a ticket at a midway point, on faith), no English anywhere and no attempt at it. When we got there, we understood why they didn’t care — they had plenty of visitors already who filled all the mediterranean coastal resorts via vacation packages. Still, it was a good trip, and I preferred it to Turkey which I visited right after (the souk in Tunis made the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul look like a Disney interpretation).

(ETA: btw I’m not a fan of Delhi and environs — have only visited twice as a tourist, with many warnings and caveats from those familiar, most of them female-focused. If only we could move the Red Fort and Qutb Minar somewhere else.)

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Some interesting and varied commentary here on the tourist experience in India. I lived there for 12 years as a kid and young adult and my visits now are only really to visit family and friends and I’m Indian origin, wouldn’t really stand out in a crowd in India and can speak and read a couple of Indian languages. I suppose it’s a very mixed bag depending on the context of the trip. I’ve heard that traveling in South India is generally a nicer experience compared to North India. I’ve never really travelled in Delhi or the other North Indian tourist hotspots. I had travelled in South India when I was much younger, and had a great time even though now I wonder at some of the totally dumb stuff I did. Alcohol was not taxed in Goa (I wonder if it is now?) which led to a lot of the dumb stuff while we were decompressing after medical school finals with friends. I remember us buying insane amounts of spirits super cheap.

@digga , perhaps think about South India as an option. I think @klyeoh might have some travel/tour advice as he has traveled extensively in India.

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I want to make something clear. What I posted is not a trip report. It is a FOOD REPORT. It has nothing to do with other people’s experience in India. It is a summary of me personally eating in India. I will repeat myself: getting a valid information about eating in India is very difficult for outsiders. That is the reason I posted that. I like to listen/read to other peoples opinions about their FOOD experience. I am grateful to other people posting such information. Hence trying to reciprocate.
As for India itself: It is an amazing place. Universe in itself. I was fortunate to travel by the road for a few weeks and exposed to multiverse of villages/ towns/ temples. I do people and animal photography. Hands down the most remarkable destination for both. (Unfortunately I still did not figure out how to post photos on Hungry onion. It gives me an “error” every time I try to do so). You see only one tiger in the wild and all your troubles in India are compensated. I do not even wont to start about kindness and sincerity of the simple people of India. Ready to go back any time. In fact, thinking about going to Kaziranga and Bandhavgarth.
For the individuals interested in “clean” environment I have to advise to visit Indiana instead of India.
If you are scared to try chicken feet in Dim Sum restaurant (and you do not have to like it) probably India is not for you either.

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To the casual reader, your report did not read as one of a pleasant experience (until you added the paragraph about enjoying the trip).

It actually read as quite a scathing indictment of almost everyone you encountered via your tourist experience (although most of your complaints seem to be about the choices made by your tour guide, so I do hope you provided that feedback to Castle & Kings) and most food not eaten at five star hotels.

imho this put everything in context:

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Dear Saregama, you did not read my report at all.

  1. I start with the statement how much we enjoyed our trip to India.
  2. I do not complain about anything. My family has a longstanding connection with India. My grandfather lived there for years after India has successfully got rid of the Raj. I know the history of India and it’s culture first hand. I knew very well where I was going and what I was going to do there. Not too many westerners visit Varanasi for a variety of reasons. But it was my priority. Holy city for Hindu and birthplace of Buddhism. It is an amazing place. I enjoyed my time in the city, but it does not make the place less intimidating to a foreign visitor. A lot of the individuals I know would be simply horrified of what they would see.
  3. Castle and King had nothing to do with my food choices. I made them on my own will after doing an extensive research. The services provided by them where very effective and appropriate. You can see in my report that I am as happy to eat on the side of the street as much as in fancy hotel (the former is usually much better than the latter).
  4. I am just reporting my impressions. It is not my intension to scare potential tourists away, but the people who do not know much about India should be prepared. I am not going to say that the food is good if it is not. You can find a lot of positive in my report, if you can get over the negative. Most of the westerners would not be able to distinguish Gujrati food from the food of Panjab, Bengal or Chettinad, but I can. I have longstanding interest in Indian food.
  5. India is not a food paradise. Restaurants are not a common culture in India. Outside of the big cities you will not even find them. You can have very delicious food in India, but not by chance. You have to work hard to find it. The best way is to get invited to someone’s house… But it is a different story.
    If you are South Asian you perception may be different, but I am writing from the simplest “ugly” American one.

It was that that caught my attention, not the food paradise bit. No place is a “food paradise” not even Beijing, whatever you might hear of the greatness of Chinese cuisine. But the reason you give?

That would be like saying the USA is not a food paradise because most of the populations has low – and unhealthy, I add – standards of living.

Well, depends on what food you’re looking for, no?

If I wanted american food, I’d be all set in the USA. But probably not in India, or China.