I know this is a shock, but Ive done an insane amount of reading, understand everything I’ve read, and have no desire to have someone who has no idea what this is like try to tell me what this is like.
So you are saying scientists who are actually do experiments in this field and work in this field for many years often decades have no idea but because you read a lot know much better the reasons - good to know…
No, Im saying I have read enough to understand what im reading and make my own decisions as an intelligent inhabitant of my body and who’s weary of having people tell me how I feel or how I think.
Im done with this conversation.
What’s best for you is obviously your own business but you have to expect pushback if you post in a public forum your own interpretation as facts and those interpretations aren’t really supported by the science
All the discussion above about visceral fat reminded me that I have a body composition scale at home which I hadn’t used in a loooong time. I bought it around 18 months ago.
It’s not a fancy one but not a complete dud one either and I am aware of the pitfalls of these devices. I don’t expect the readings to be accurate - I just want to get a trend for my efforts at keeping healthy around menopause. I set my teenage son up on it as well.
Between December 2023 and now, my visceral fat reading has stayed the same. The scales read out a number (doesn’t have units) and I look up where the number falls on the little booklet that comes with the scales. My number is 6, which is apparently within the normal range. My son’s number is zero. But he’s a teenager who plays a lot of sport and is a regular gym goer.
I’m satisfied that I’ve been able to keep my weight stable throughout this period. I’m working on building some muscle through personal training - I’m finding this very hard and expensive but I hope it will be worth it in the long term.
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“I don’t expect the readings to be accurate - I just want to get a trend for…” This is important to me too. These tools may not be totally accurate but they can give you an idea of how you are trending, which is really useful.
I have recorded my weight, BMI and body fat on an Omron scale for years. I have never been impressed with BMI as an indicator of health and the Omron body fat was a bit optimistic compared to the calipers method, but the measurements on the Omron gave me a decent idea of my trendline.
I used personal trainers in the past and liked them. Mostly for keeping me motivated but also, the good one, for shaping my simplest workput to be as effective as possible.
Then i fired them. I got most of the benefit from them within the first 2 months. But your mileage may vary.
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The new gym I joined offers a free 3D body scan.
Do I really want that, tho? 
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My scales are Omron too!
I’m in the first two months of the personal training journey. I can only really do sessions once a week or once a fortnight. Let’s see how it goes.
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My boss got a measurement at her gym and now goes around telling everyone she has 50 kg of muscle. I find that very hard to believe. She’s not that big or lean that she is going to be carrying around 50 kg of muscle on her frame. So I think the numbers she’s getting must be very inaccurate.
I would be surprised if I had even 10kg of muscle, TBH. I’ll do it bc I really DGAF, and I also get a free one-hour personal training on the first day.
Then it’ll be just the weights and I 
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Once a week is good for a personal trainer in my book. They want to do every workout with you but the good trainer I had back in the day wanted me to record everything I did in the workouts he did not see, which worked for me because i am a “write it down!” sort of person. And then he actually looked at my notebook and used it in our workout plans. He also encouraged me to do overhead DB military presses which ended up tearing my rotator cuff, but other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? LOL!
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That’s like no regain at all. Congrats.
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Yep.
My daughter got pooh-poohed (“you’re too young for that”) when she finally got in to see a rheum.
She basically browbeat her (the doc) into running all the tests she’d outlined, and whaddaya know, she does have that particular anti-inflammatory condition.
Contrast her cardio who took her seriously from square 1 and had her tested serially to find out what she has, which type of it she has, and how best to manage it.
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So sorry she went through that…and congrats to you for raising her to educate herself and to advocate for herself!
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Thank you, CCE!
I just weighed myself and i am at 219.6 pounds. That is the best weight i have seen on that scale or any other since March of 2020.
And i just set a Personal Record on my Peloton machine.
I am not entirely comfortable taking this drug ( I am halfway through my third pen and i started 7.5 months ago) but for me it seems to be working.
So far.
I am worried about my next trip, though. I will be between pens and i have not found an AirBNB yet because i want to find a gym w some sort of a Peloton type machine, first. I am going to try an extended single destination trip so that i can balance travel and working out.
I seem to have found a fitness combo of Ozempic, Peloton, walking and cooking at home and i want to build on it so that maybe i can eliminate the drug this year.
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The antecedent here is definitely true, but it is far from inevitable that a caloric deficit will result in a loss of muscle mass. If you ONLY take the drug, yeah, muscle will waste.
But if you get your nutritional house in order and lift intelligently, you can actually build lean mass while burning fat.
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If you’re like me, there’s an internal “switch” that goes off, and won’t go on again–until it does.
You might try sauna to jumpstart the process. 30 minutes in the hotbox emulates physical exercise. Could 3 million Finns be wrong?
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This is why it’s so important to shift the balance of fat metabolism in your favor, and keep the lean mass you have. It takes a LONG time to gain it back without also laying down fat.
Keep going.
PM me if you’d like to hear how I’m doing it this time.
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It should be for everyone. Except for form and tempo. Forget the weight until you get those right.
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As a dane I would like to thank (a large part of) the american people for hating to walk and driving everywhere, even the shortest of distances, and for eating so much junk food.
It really helps the national budget here, that Novo can sell so many Wegovy tablets in the US.
I have yet to know anyone who has been on these tablets though.
