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(Keyrock the unfrozen caveman lawyer; your world frightens & confuses me)
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As I’ve read through the thread, the only things I can think of that I liked as a kid that mine never got the hang of are the close cousins liverwurst and Braunschweiger. A favorite of mine, spread on crackers, or made into a sandwich with mayo and mustard.
Otherwise, my kids had enormously broader range than I did as a kid, although one did become vegetarian in her mid-teens.
1997 - a lot of professional food people followed or were on CH. I recall one cookbook writer that I often engaged with along with another writer who published a food travel book on CH. So I don’t think its out of the realm of possibilities. But we will now never know.
I can’t remember either.
I’m with your definition but as always, there were authoritative
“Experts” that weighed in.
I remember the question because I’d noticed both Farmer John’s varieties next to each other in a store.
I’d always thought they were the same.
My kids never took a liking to hot dogs, but that’s about it. Sausages are fine.
My younger son was vegan for a couple of years, but was never a good candidate. Was raised as a Chowhound. For his ‘last meal’ before renouncing meat we went to a Chinese place for beef tendon soup. I figured it was only a matter of time. I had no problem cooking vegan for a couple of years. Inside the home it’s easy, but going out is highly problematic. And unsatisfying.
And even so, a tedious perspective and a weird analogy: although I wouldn’t demand global veganism (this isn’t actually a sustainable and equitable practice applied across the board) I also wouldn’t equate vegans with people doing harm to others. And frankly, not even strident. More often than not, the snide commentary comes from omnivores.
As I have no children, I can’t share in this thread although the list of foods from the OP were there for me. But I HATED mayo. OOf, wouldn’t touch a thing with mayo anywhere near it. Pate and tongue and chopped liver though? Yum.
Hyperbole isn’t exactly an uncommon rhetorical tool for writers and/or folks in the public eye, and Bourdain was famous for his snark. Whatever his true feelings about vegans or veganism are/were, we’ll never know.
Most vegans I know can’t cook very well. Anecdotal, sure, yet curious.
My d-i-l told me that the kids hated mashed potatoes, something I adore. So one day when they were here I roasted a chicken and served them chicken, mashed potatoes and GRAVY. “What IS this?”, they all wanted to know, scarfing every bite and asking for seconds. Another myth debunked.
No, hyperbole isn’t uncommon, but it’s tedious when it’s the same old, not so accurate, song. But we can agree to disagree about the types of rhetoric we find productive and/or engaging.
As for vegan cooking: Yeah, that’s probably anecdotal. I think it was more the case back in the day (I remember one vegan trying to convince me that margarine was just like butter gag) , but there’s really interesting possibilities now. A vegan Vietnamese place opened nearby me and I had a glorious aubergine dish. And there’s vegan options at a bunch of bakeries near me and again, I’ve really enjoyed many of the options.
I’m not vegan, but I am increasingly impressed.
I generally find that cuisines who’ve relied on vegetable dishes for eons (SE Asian & Chinese especially, but some African and Middle Eastern as well) create downright magical vegan dishes.
Western folks? Not so much. In my experience, that is. Too many vegan buffets/potlucks where the people prepping the dishes seemingly had never heard of spices, seasonings, the Maillard reaction, and other basics to create food I want to eat
That’s wonderful! I wasn’t generalizing - just speaking from my own, personal, not-very-limited-but-certainly-not-universal exerience.
One of the members in my Facebook cooking group (and longtime HO member) @MelMM makes vegan food that looks and sounds incredible. I would consider it a real treat to join her at the dining table.
Sorry to move this off topic, but this is sort of like “some of my best friends are vegans”. I’ve never understood why vegans are so despised. My daughter is doing this for herself, and she really doesn’t care about what others think or eat. She doesn’t proselytize. So I’m tired of people putting her down. She’s an adult, she can make her own decisions, and she isn’t affecting anyone else. And, as I said, she is a very good cook, is always trying new recipes, and is more knowledgeable about food and cooking than most people. An example: three of the vegan baked goods she entered in our county fair this summer won 1st and 2nd prizes (in the general not vegan category), so it’s not just me being biased.
Threads go OT (and sometimes OTR) all the time here, no need to apologize
I’m sure your daughter is a fabulous cook and baker, and I don’t see anywhere in my comments where I condemned, attacked, or expressed disdain towards the vegan community as a whole, or your daughter in particular.
I have shared my personal experience with vegan cooking so far in my life, while including positive experiences and examples as well.
None really, my daughter has grown up in San Francisco so has a much broader range of food options than I had growing up in a smallish east coast coastal town. Her HS cafeteria serves tofu banh mi, Korean chicken wings, chana dal with flatbread and she’s been downing sushi since she was a toddler.
Maybe scrapple - but I haven’t offered it to her yet.
Got an old school cheebuguh and fries with a chocolate malt for my daughter, and she did not like the thing I possibly craved most in youth. Ah well. I got to bolt down mine and hers. Malt powder takes away all the calories, y’know.