antinori wines? how about california wines?
I’m not following. Antinori is to Italian wines as (you pick) to Californian wines. There are many good/great Califonia and Italian wines. I’m just not willing to assume any wine (like cocktail cherries) is worth the price based on name alone.
Good for you. It’s a garnish, and I’m not paying the premium for Luxardo. >>Considering the possible spirit upgrade for the same cost, it’s not even close for me.
Similar issue, I think Antinori wines are kinda the same thing. Why?
you’re not willing to pay the premium for antinori? I’m not willing to pay the premium for just about any Californian wine when there is better wine to be had elsewhere for less.
I never thought of California wines in general as being priced 'way above their value. Not sure there’s a strong case for that. Nor is there one for Italian wines as a group.
I picked Antinori as an analogue to Luxardo, that’s all.
i created a website for a large nyc wine retailer and my wife ran the web business for them. we attended staff tastings where the process was that the distributor served a wine blind, we talked about the wine and what we thought the retail price should be. then the distributor revealed the wine and retail price. If the wine represented good value, the owner bought the wine for the store.
The result of this process was that the store had a large preponderance of non-ca wine. Of course, the store’s customers wanted to buy ca wine, so the owner carried some popular ca wines.
Talking to other people in the business, there was a general agreement that one doesn’t look to ca for value.
best,
I’ll agree that many CA brands and labels are overpriced for what they deliver–some spectacularly so. I attribute that to all the money sloshing around there, and the careful “luxury” branding and marketing. People who wear Rolex and Hermes like spending more money than they need to.
But if you look at total wine production in the state (presently 680 million gallons per year), only a small fraction fits your generality. There are many, many price/value points in this 84% dominance of US production. If CA was a country, it would lag behind only France Italy and Spain in wine production.
I also strongly suspect that many West Coast wines get marked up a LOT by the time they make it onto Eastern retailers’ shelves and restaurants. Yes?
At every dinner, my grandma served a half grapefruit topped with a radioactive maraschino cherry. My tolerance for them has waned (along with my tolerance for another of her staples - Velveeta), but if I want a big hit of nostalgia, that’s a good place to start.
Also, Twin Peaks, Audrey, One-Eyed Jacks…
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I’d generally say at all price points, ca wine is overpriced compared to European wine but of course, at every price point, there are exceptions.
the cost to ship a case of wine from ca to ny is probably $25, so there’s not going to be a huge price difference btw ca and ny.
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It’s the distribution cost more than shipping. And local taste prejudices. Just as the French ignored CA wines for as long as they could, NY and the East Coast haven’t paid it enough attention. Same goes for Oregon and Washington wines.
Again, CA is basically a country and market unto itself (world’s 7th-largest economy), so most CA producers don’t want the distribution headaches. And many want to just stay small.
And sprinkled with a little sugar. And sectioned but not scooped out.
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to respond to your question directly, no, in my experience, ca wines are not marked up a lot on the east coast and with careful shopping, one can often find lower prices here than the west coast.
In the end, it seems like you are unconvinced by my data point of tasting through 1000s of wines blind with other people in the wine business and I’m unconvinced by and honestly don’t understand your point about the size of the ca wine market. I also don’t understand whatever point you’re trying to make about ny and the east coast wine or who you’re talking about.
In the end, value is subjective, my palate is different than your palate, we’ve both presented our reasoning, i suggest we agree to disagree and move on.
I apologize for derailing your cocktail cherry thread, which I do find very interesting. thank you for starting the topic.
best,
Not data, opinion. I chose (arbitrarily) one Italian wine label I think makes a good analogue to Luxardo cherries being overpriced, and then the Achille Lauro was hijacked.
It’s like you were there.
My Mom served the same.
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We had ours with a little sugar, but no cherry on top. These days, I find grapefruit sufficiently sweet to not add any sugar if n when I feel like a nostalgic snack or breakfast addition.
I agree about the sugar. Not necessary these days.
I have made my own but prefer Luxardo
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Yesterday I found a partial jar of Bada Bings at the back of a fridge.
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