You are assuming that because millions of people buy certain brands automatically makes those brands good which is definitely not the case.
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No, I’m not assuming anything. There’s plenty of bad beer out there. Most that I consider defective has come from craft brewers. Fewer from Big Brew.
I generally dislike Big Brew beer, and avoid it when I can. But when I find one I like, e.g., Veltins pils, I buy it–just like people have for >200 years.
Yesterday, my wife impulse-ordered for me another Big Brew pils, Elysian “Push Mower” on draft. I had low expectations, but it was surprisingly good–IMO better than Reality Czeck. You should try it.
Push Mower is OK - a bit too light and too many floral notes but not horrible.
I am surprised how much you like Veltins - there are so many better (large scale) pilsner even in Germany (Astra, Radebacher, Jever, Holsten etc).
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In your opinion, you mean.
Every opinion on a discussion board is a personal opinion. All your posts so far are also just your personal opinion
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Not really. I offered three objective flaws as a basis for refuting your categorical pronouncement. Now you’re making more.
So it needs to be clarified that all you’re saying is that you like X more than Y. The fact that you’ve couched all this pap in absolute language means that doesn’t go without saying.
As you do yourself
This is my last response to you. Turbidity, head height and bitterness are not matters of opinion. They are objective measures. Such things may INFORM opinions, but you unlike me jump straight to “far better”. In my book that’s pure opinion, and unhelpful to discussion.
I’m out.
Heavy hitter. I just had some Imperial Porters from Latvia. Waited for the cool of evening for those.
I haven’t had an imperial porter. I’ve had what’ve been billed as “Baltic porters” a few times, and enjoyed them. Are they the same? Both high ABV?
I don’t think so. From what I recall, anything “imperial” (porter, IPA, etc.) is going to be stronger/more alcoholic than the usual examples of X style of beer. Baltic porter is a type of porter common to Russia; I’ve had it and it didn’t seem to have as high an ABV as an imperial.
Thanks. Based on a little further digging, I’ve found Baltic porters range from 7-9.5 ABV and Imperials tend to start about 10 and go up from there to crazy. So you are right.
Baltic porters use lager yeast whereas “classical” porters fall under the ale umbrella
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I’m only replying so you don’t mislead people again.
Imperial Porters are often lagered and use lager yeasts. No one but you was addressing classical porters.
No - imperial porters (and regular porters) are ales which use ale yeast. And that’s why baltic porters are so special as lager yeast
Some do, some don’t. Back to your absolutism I see.
Sure, in today’s creative beer brewing world many styles are mixed but classic porters are ales as even the style guide of the brewers association shows (but I guess for you they also don’t know what they are talking about)
You seem to think Imperial Porters are ipso facto “classic” porters. I think you just find mention of something that aligns with your foregone conclusion and run with it.
In truth, lagering and bottom fermentation became popular in Baltic porter brewed in that region in the late 19th Century. Basically, those brewers took the export commodity of warm-fermented English porters and applied their traditional cool fermentation yeasts and techniques. The same thing happened to American-brewed porters in the 1850s.
The moniker “Imperial” has become essentially meaningless, often only synonymous with supposedly bigger flavor and stronger alcohol. It doesn’t connote tradition, “classic” or anything more than that.
Of special note: the BA Style Guideline you cite only calls out lager yeast for American Baltic Porter.
doesn’t specify any of the other Euro or American Porter styles as bottom- or top-fermented. This guide is one of style, and is used not to brew, but to distinguish categories for competition.
Every time you are saying something wrong and somebody is pointing it out to you, you are just making up things - it’s really pointless trying to discuss things if you are not really interested in any facts - and no, imperial as a moniker isn’t meaningless - you are again just making up things
Pure projection.
Read the history.
