Ah, yes. But do many make an Imperial Lager?
This may seem to be an oxymoron. It’s not. I had one last week, a collaboration between two local brewers. Poured and looked like a typical golden lager, but it weighed in at 10.1 ABV. Nosed hot, too.
I thought it was interesting, in a “Can we even do that?” way, but it’s not for me, especially in summertime.
So you are looking for a Doppel Bock ?
No, not looking for anything, just curious over what was listed as an Imperial Lager.
My understanding is that doppelbocks are malt-dominant, tend toward dark color, and are heavier. The beer I tried was hop forward, lighter in color than a Helles, and nowhere near the “liquid bread” weight that uusually charachterizes dopplebocks.
I’ll ask the brewmaster next time I see her.
Lager? Tons…try Notch…Schilling…
Have you tried an IPL or an cold IPA (the style not just a IPA served cold) which are nice crossovers between lager and IPA with especially IPL closer to lagers and might be not that far of what you are looking for in a imperial lager
My question about lagers were . Sure the macro breweries make them . But what micro breweries are waiting 8 to 10 weeks under cold fermentation?
Many micro breweries have lagers/pilsner brewered under cold fermentation
Ok . Go ahead and name 6 microbreweries who use lager yeast and ferment for 10 weeks under cold temperature. Between 48 and 58 degrees Fahrenheit . I want to purchase that beer
I would suspect Notch, they do double decoction and do age their product. How long, that I dont know.
I think East Brothers pilsner qualifies. They mention cold ferment on their website. You can call them for details.
Trumer Pils, which is not quite a microbrewery, claims cold fermentation, and the Wiki page says six weeks of aging. It’s not quite as distinctive as East Brother, but considerably less expensive.
I am not sure why you are obsessed about 10 weeks but try breweries like Enegren or Moonlight as starting points who use lager yeast and ferment at cold temperature
The cost and time is reason for the rise in Ale production (vs Lagers) in craft/micro brewing., since the dawn of good beer, i.e. Newman’s (Albany NY), New Amsterdam (NYC), Sierra (Chico). Boy do i miss SN Pale Bock…
The main reason for the rise in ales is simply they are preferred by the customers. If ales would take 20+ weeks to make breweries would still make them preferably. They make what sells best.
It’s not exactly the Invisible Hand now, is it?
Not sure if I understand?
I mean customer preference isn’t commonly a matter of what actually tastes the best to the customer. Just as likely, the customer has picked her brew based on the catchy name, graphics, bottle, marketing, distribution, shelf placement, calorie count, ABV, IBU, and whose friends drink it… A few pick by reviews or who pours it. Many among the cognoscenti pick by price and rarity, and wouldn’t be caught dead drinking common beer, or even classics, no matter the quality. Anyone who’s done blind tastings should understand the manipulations behind beer marketing. I have firsthand experience in this with wines, and my sense is that it’s wildly more so with beer.
Currently, we’re in a period where overhopped/unbalanced IPAs dominate the market, especially the citra hopped and hazy variants. And it’s not because most buyers have tried much else or it’s summertime. Have they tried radlers, blends or beer cocktails? No, hardly ever.
Sorry for the cynicism., but beer choice has largely devolved into an exercise of exploratory self-congratulation, brand loyalty, and confirmation bias.
Our discussion goes in circles and we have to agree to fundamentally disagree on many things.
Craft beer is still a small market segment in the overall beer market and even though there is always some hype (like it is in anything which is sold anywhere commercially) I think that in the craft beer world the average customer is more experienced and knowledgeable than in many other area (food or otherwise) and so the already many years ongoing focus on IPA us less marketing driven and much more a reflection of taste and the high quality of many available IPA. And it seems you personally don’t like IPA, which is absolutely OK, as taste us something very subjective but that doesn’t mean a personal preference is in anyway a reflection of the “average” taste. In my experience IPAs are a beer for people look like flavor-wise extremes and so that might be more a reflection of your general personal food preferences
Not at all. I even like a few citra and hazy IPAs. But they better have some balance, and a sane IBU. One of our larger regional craft brewers, Georgetown, does a range of IPAs that I generally find pleasing.
What I don’t like are pubs with short, majority IPA entrants with blow-your-head-off hops, and a only a couple of other (often unseasonal) offerings, driven by distribution arrangements. Under those circumstances, I’m likely to order a Bud or PBR, st least in summer.
But back to pils to illustrate my point. How many of your hypothesized experienced and knowledgeable quaffers have ever been in a position to A-B draught Pilsner Urquell to draught Reality Czeck? For that matter, how many have actually compared the canned versions?
I think even most people, knowledgeable and swillers alike, find something(s) they like in the grocery store, and aren’t open to much else.
I wanted to stop posting n this topic and will do it now but one last comment - you seem to be one of these persons who think there subjective opinion has any relevance as an objective assessment - which is obviously not true. Just because you prefer a certain flavor profile of beer doesn’t mean everybody who likes other profiles has no idea/knowledge. You seem to like low IBU IPA which is fine but many people, including myself, like high IBU IPA because they are well balanced, flavorful etc but we wouldn’t say that anybody who only drink other IPA or lagers is ignorant. You should just accept that other people have often at least as much, if not more, experience and knowledge but prefer other things than you personally.
(And yes, Reality Czech is much better for me than Pilsner Urquell - but I hope you will enjoy your Astra, Bitburger, Pabst, Budweiser, Holsten in the future)
