2020 Veggie Gardens!

Saregama, to save tomato seeds, you need to let them 'ferment" a bit. Here’s what I do:
•Cut the top off the tomato so you can see the chambers which contain the gel and seeds.
•With a sharp paring knife, remove part of the side wall of the tomato to expose the gel and seeds.
•Scrape the gel and seed into a glass jar. The seeds are covered with a gel that inhibits germination and makes them stick together. So, you want to let yeasts and microbes digest this for awhile.
•Cover the jar loosely, so flies can’t get in. Put it in a dark place, at room temperature, for some days. You’ll likely see molds, often white, growing on the surface. After about 5-7 days, the gel should be digested by the microbes/yeasts.
•Remove any mold blobs (pellicle) and dump the seed slurry into a sieve which will trap the seeds. Rinse the seeds well under running water and use a finger to stir the seeds around until they’re clean.
•Drain and set the sieve on a paper towel or dry dishrag to absorb more of the moisture; about 10 minutes is plenty.
•Spread the seeds out to dry on cardboard, a board, paper plate, etc. They may get stuck to thin paper, so use a material which can be scraped, if needed. Place in a dark area to dry for 2-3 weeks.
•Tomato seeds often are a bit fuzzy and tend to clump. When the seeds have dried, you can rub them to break apart clumps and wear off some of the fuzz, making them easier to plant.
•Label them, including the year. Placing seed envelopes in an airtight jar, in the fridge, will help keep them viable for years. You want to keep moisture out of the jar. Before opening the jar, at planting time, take it out of the fridge and let the jar warm to room temperature. This way, the jar and seeds won’t “sweat”, condense moisture from the air.

Saving tomato seeds is easier than it looks from the above! Each step is pretty quick, especially with practice.

Keep in mind that plants can “outcross”, mate with another variety if wind or insect pollinators go from plant to plant. If you’re growing only one variety of something, it’s easier to have pure seed. Plants that have big flowers, like cucumbers, squash, melons can get mixed up if you have someone nearby growing them. Bees carry pollen great distances!

With tomatoes, insect pollinators are less of an issue, but you can “bag” flowers with a bit of netting, nylon stocking, fabric to prevent cross pollination. This should be done on unopened flower buds; once the flowers are open, it’s too late. I mark the stems of bagged, controlled pollination fruits with a colored twist tie or string, so I know which ones to save seed from.

Sometimes, it’s easier to bag a whole branch on things like peppers. Bagged peppers and tomatoes can fertilize themselves. Vibrating the branches, when in bloom, helps pollen to fall onto the stigma, the female part which catches the pollen.

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Your method is a lot more sound then my mom’s method. She basically just pulls out the ‘guts’ of a tomato and lays it out on paper towels on a plate, while gently cleaning away the gel and tomato bits. :sweat_smile:

Your parsley looks great! Sadly, my giant ceramic pot that held my porcelain last year broke this year (stupid fence guy!) , so I won’t get to confirm if they would have sprouted back up next spring. I’d really like to find a new home for parsley, and self-sprouting sounds like what I need.

I’m debating if I should get new garlic bulbs or try to use some of the mini ones I have from this year. :thinking: I also am more focused about how to keep some of my plants safe over the cold fall and winter (my ginger and lime). My lemongrass is starting to bust out of their small container, so I definitely have to replant before the fall comes.

The two things I’ve been thinking about adding to the garden are beets and radishes. I have bunnies that come into my garden at night - do I have any hope of growing beets and radishes without the bunnies getting to them first?

My real wish list is for a blueberry bush, but that might require more maintenance than I’m ready for. Ah, to have a year-round growing season, like you do in California…I can only dream of that.

EDIT: Has anyone tried to grow their peppers indoors over the winter? I pulled my pepper plants last year when it got cold, but I’ve been getting such a nice harvest from the shishitos that I would love to keep them going if I move them indoors, but just don’t know if they’ll do well enough to actually produce anything.

This morning’s berry harvest.

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Yum!

Watermelon festooned with ashes.

You’ve really had the gardening year, haven’t you? So sorry! I anticipate a fairly small tomato harvest, unfortunately @shrinkrap. 2020 will be a memorable year, that’s for sure. But not in a good way…

Oh, I don’t know. I complain a lot, but its actually been more successful than usual, at least as far as tomatoes, peppers, and melons and apricots and pluots are concerned.

These are on the counter, and I roasted a bunch last night.

Social media memes are saying 2020 will be as a curse word in the future.

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Okay I’m jealous, and not envious. I know how fabulous they’ll taste due to your growing area @shrinkrap. Don’t know if I could have taken the adrenaline hit when the fires were near though, or the frustration…

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Yeah, I’m a bit done right now, but this is the first year I won’t be traveling in the fall, so I’m hoping for a second wind and a fall garden.

That would be good to get a consolation bumper crop @shrinkrap. I was supposed to be going on a trip for 10 days in September, domestically. Decided this wasn’t the year for nonessential travel.

My baby melons. The little tendrils were brown, hopefully not singed.


They are chillin’ in the fridge.

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Kobuta, one can grow peppers indoors, but it’d take some doing. Transplanting a large plant is tricky and you need to remove a large root ball using a long thin spade, like a drain spade. I did this with Peruvian Rocoto peppers one year, to verify they went pollen sterile at fairly modest temperatures. They were then grown in 5 gallon buckets, with holes drilled in the bottom for drainage. I put them in a greenhouse.

Light is critical and often a window won’t cut it. A south-facing glass door panel can work, but, often the winter sun is too weak. I use LED plant lights a lot, and a high-power (600watt HID equivalent) LED plant light can keep plants productive. Those run close to $100 and can be used to start seedlings. The cheaper Chinese-made models often have the annoying problem of ruining an FM radio signal. Chinese-made HID digital ballasts for plant lights are even worse; I have to turn these off, even though they’re on another floor of the house, in order to get a radio signal. I’m surprised it’s legal to sell these lights, given the radio interference. Still, the plants like them!

Finally, the first Ogen melon ripened!
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The flavor is outstanding: honeydew, cantaloupe with a bit of ripe pear flavors. I put some slices in a freeze drier to see if they come out as crunchy melon chips. Cucumbers are in there too, as I’ve read the freeze dry well. I can’t believe the productivity of a variety called National Pickling.

6-8 pounds a day have been coming in for weeks. It’s remarkable. So far, I’ve made:
18 pounds of NY deli, Kosher style garlic dills
20 quarts of vinegar dill spears
12 pints of Bread & Butter pickles (less sugar)
12 half pints of relish
8 pound of an experimental fermentation using smoked Morita peppers and sweet onion
3/4 of a freeze drier load of “chips”

Plus, a lot have been given away and there’s a cooler full on the porch. This variety won a contest, sponsored by the National Picklers Association, to breed the best pickling cucumber. Seeds develop very slowly, so you can harvest little ones or big, whole cukes for the deli style and not worry about seedy or mushy pickles (unless you don’t process them correctly). Good flavor and lots of crunch.

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I grow Cross Country and Chicago Pickling on my balcony, and I’ve have a lot of problems with bacterial wilt this year and last. Any resistant varieties you’d recommend?

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Wow! Is that from just one plant?

Today’s tomatoes… it’s been HOT and HUMID all week long.

I forced the littles to help me today, both pick and sort. We were all steaming by the time we came back in!

The split / burst tomatoes are oven roasting. The rest are sorted into ready and still-ripening (after separating by color/type).

Turns out I have a couple more grape, heirloom, and the small green plum variety that are my favorite.

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That’s a lotta tomatoes!
Trying to stay positive, and roasting tomatoes and peppers.

That’s good - it’s been so trying for you. My friends from Sacramento are driving down here because the air quality there is so bad.

Meanwhile, the last round of seeds I had sprouted - from assorted peppers - are flowering! I’m intrigued to see which peppers they are :thinking::joy:

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There’s a 15 foot long trellis, covered with the cucumbers; so, quite a few plants that are now 7 feet high, the top of the trellis.

Bacterial wilt is tough to control. You need to kill the cucumber beetles which spread it. National Pickling seems more resistant than others, but that can vary with location. When I see a wilted leaf or vine, I cut it off closer to the main stems, where the tissue looks healthy.

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I’ll give National Pickling a try, thanks. Removing the wilted leaves doesn’t help - once the plant is infected, it’s doomed.

https://extension.umn.edu/diseases/bacterial-wilt

I’ve never actually seen a cucumber beetle on my balcony. But obviously they made it up here.

The wilted leaves are the indicator something is wrong. What I’m cutting off is a length of vine pretty far back into the other parts, which appear healthy, maybe a foot or so into what appears healthy. It seems to help when the infection starts at the distal end and the vines have matured, hardened a bit. Young, soft growth gets ravaged quickly by Erwinia, so I keep the plants protected with dust or spray. The cucumber beetles attack many food crops and so do Japanese beetles.

There are self-fertile cucumber varieties which can be covered tightly with Reemay fabric or netting to keep cucumber beetles off the plants. With these varieties, no pollinator is needed, so you can keep the plants covered while they are blooming.

small_h, if you’re in the US, I should be able to mail you some seeds of National Pickling, if you’d like. There are some huge, very inedible-looking cukes maturing seed. I save a lot of seed each year, making sure there’s no crossing. I’ve been mailing packets of seeds for years, no charge, except when very large seeds require more costly shipping. If interested, email my @gmail.com account. Just put rob.botanique in front of the “at” symbol. Shipping seed for me is best done when the weather is cool/cold. A black mailbox, in the sun, gets very hot at times. We’re rural out here, so mailboxes are the norm.

Other seed I’m hoping to harvest in bulk this season include: Luffa acutangula (Silk gourd, Si Gwa, etc.), Luffa cylindrica (Sponge Luffa), Bandy Lima, Peruvian Aji Amarillo, Floriani Flint corn-makes amazing polenta, hopefully, Voandzeia (syn. Vigna) subterranea (Bambara Groundnut) and a white-fruited bitter melon from Japan. The last two are iffy. Interested folks should email me around Oct., when most of the seeds are in.

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