What If We Just Got Rid of Fine Dining?

might want to research the claims about making ‘well below’
https://www.barandrestaurant.com/operations/state-state-look-wages-tipping

from 2022 - 2024:

  • The national tips per hour average rose from $19.24 to $21.63 over the two-year period.
  • All of the states measured show a tips per hour average higher than the national mean.
  • Washington, D.C. had a bit of a rollercoaster ride over the last years, starting at $25.72, dipping to $21.74 in Q2 2023, and then rising back up to $27.72 in Q1 2024.
  • Los Angeles currently has the highest wages at $16.78, but this doesn’t seem to be affecting tips, which rose from $21.16 to $29.66 over two years.

so . . places like LA with a minimum wage of $16.78/hr ‘suffering’ tip increases of $29.66/hr . . . or a total wage of $46.44/hour - - not really a bad place to be in the waitstaff business.

But 100% proving my point. More turn at 30% is a lot more tips

I’ve just come across this list of employee benefits from a mini-chain steakhouse business:

30 days of holiday
In addition to the 28 days of statutory leave, we have a company holiday for our annual party plus an extra day for everyone on their birthday! All holidays are paid with service charge.

1, 3, 5 year Anniversary Gifts
To celebrate the bigger milestones we will be gifting you with an annual CODE app membership or £50 voucher after your 1st year, a weekend away in the UK after your 3rd year and a two week fully paid sabbatical on your 5th anniversary with us!

Paid Breaks
Split shifts are not a thing at Blacklock. We have one hour paid break when working a double shift and other breaks are paid too!

Experience Voucher & 50% Blacklock Discount
Lunch or dinner for two, on us - to celebrate passing your probation! And then come and visit us at any of our restaurants and get 50% off your food bill from then on.

Charity Day
Take a paid day off to help your favourite charity!

Hardship Loan & Free Counselling
A loan scheme that was created to support you in difficult situations. We also have an Employee Assistance Programme that provides free counselling, help with legal, financial and family matters, and is 100% confidential. Help is available in 140 different languages and is accessible 24/7.

Enhanced Maternity, Adoption and Paternity Leave
To support our new Blacklock parents when they are having a baby we are offering an enhanced leave. It’s full basic pay(!) for the first 12 weeks of maternity/adoption and 2 weeks for paternity leave.

Cost Price Chops and Wine
Order your favourite bottle of wine from our wine list or your favourite chops at cost price to cook up a feast at home.

Paw-ternity
Take two paid days off when you adopt or get your first puppy, to help your little furry friend settle in at their new home.

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I thought it was more on the owners’ side to make a profit, given how thin the margin is already.

I worked for a lowly 6€/hour at a sushi joint in Berlin in 2004, so wages vary widely. And since it’s not a tipping culture, that’s pretty much what I went home with.

Its possible its both.

Pawternity is great but it had better extend to cats or I’ll contact my union rep. :slight_smile:

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My sentiments too, and really many other critters, but I do stop at goldfish.

@linguafood My colleagues dined at Stachel in Wuerzburg, one of those super old German inns with a lot of history. While the meal and service were good, they wouldn’t let us order dessert because they needed to clear the table for the upcoming reservation. :sweat_smile: My coworker really wanted a strudel but was denied.

Wow. Is it heavily touristy? I noted some of the newer establishments at least in Berlin will give you a time frame for your rez. They also tend to be the ones where most of the staff seems to only speak English.

I avoid those places.

O tempora, o mores :scream:

It is and isn’t. Because of its age, it does draw a lot of visitors and diners, but we were also given a last minute reservation. We were there in the colder months though, so I don’t think it was as busy as it could have been (I heard they have outdoor season in warm weather). Because it was raining that day, we ended up being about 10-15 minutes late as all the cabs and traffic was terrible. The waiter just told us “Don’t think you’ll have time for dessert!” as he was cleaning up and bringing us our bill.

Wow.

NYT catches up on the Brigade topic:

The Brigade System Helps Restaurants Succeed. Does It Also Lead to Abuse?

Free link here.

“The brigade system pushes abuse down the line and pushes credit up the line,” said Saqib Keval, an owner and a chef of Masala y Maiz, a restaurant in Mexico City that aims for a less top-down approach. “The chef-leaders become these fearless martyrs who get all the credit for the labor of the team. And the team is the one always at fault and most at risk.”

At times, abuse travels down the line in an appallingly literal way. Robin Burrow, an associate professor of organization studies at the University of York, in England, who has written several studies of kitchen behavior and misbehavior, recalled interviewing a veteran of one restaurant where there was a set ritual of punishment for errors.

“What do we do when someone makes a mistake?” the chef would ask. The crew would sing out, in unison, “Punch them in the face!” At this point, the chef would point to one person who had to deliver the punch to the unfortunate cook who had erred.

Escoffier had been an army chef during the Franco-Prussian War. His military service gave him a chance to make several innovations in the preparation of horse meat; more lastingly, it shaped Escoffier’s views on how large groups could be made to work efficiently and harmoniously toward a single goal.

Because Escoffier’s system is so widely used, though, it can be hard to separate it from other elements of fine-dining kitchens. When a chef stabs a cook in the leg with a barbecue fork, as Mr. Redzepi has been accused of doing, is he perverting the purpose of the brigade? Or is he following it to its logical conclusion?

“I can’t sit here and tell you that brigade systems aren’t effective in certain ways,” said the chef Eric Huang, who has cooked in big New York City kitchens that follow the Escoffier model. “The problem is that they’re so effective that they deprioritize compassion, empathy and emotionally intelligent leadership.”

The leadership ethos in many kitchens is largely unchanged from Escoffier’s day.

Of course, a strict top-down brigade is not the only way to structure a kitchen. … At Masala y Maiz, Mr. Keval and his partner, Norma Listman, avoid keeping people in specialized jobs. Everyone in the kitchen takes turns working at every station over the course of a month… “We’re constantly rotating so there’s not this hierarchy of one station is more important than another, or being a line cook is more important than being a prep cook,” Ms. Listman said.

Top-down leadership structures are common in many businesses, yet chefs seem to be far more prone to slapping and kicking their underlings than, say, doctors or head librarians. Dr. Burrow said his research suggests that abuse in the restaurant industry has less to do with organizational charts than with other factors, like the physical isolation of kitchens and a culture in which an ability to absorb suffering is rewarded.

“There’s no requirement that to run a restaurant you need to be an abusive jerk"

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O indeed.

Absolutely. And it’s difficult to see how many industries could operate without the hierarchy. As such, restaurants, apart from the smallest, will be no different,

That said, assaulting a fellow employee, particularly one you supervise, is a sacking offence without question in most of those industries. Of course, if the abuser is also the owner, then that clearly can’t apply. In the UK, if I was still a trade union representative, I would recommend that the victim go to the industrial tribunal and claim “constructive dismissal” - effectively the owner’s actions force you to resign.

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The piece on suffering nails it. Kitchen work is inherently strenuous - heavy, hot, repetitive, stressful, etc - and it’s (unfortunately) a badge of honor to suck it up and tough it out.

Both male and female chefs seemed to have a kind of contradictory, at times celebratory relationship with suffering. To suffer and be able to endure it well apparently said good things about a chef.

I’m healing a broken collarbone and have been thinking about this a lot lately. My physical therapist seems surprised that I’m doing so well but I’ve worked through much more pain than this. :sweat_smile:

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Thanks for the link. I keep going back to the brigade system is based on military hierarchy and French culture. France is often stereotyped as the land of lovers, wine, yada, yada… but there’s a saying, France’s first love is war. If you examine French imperial history in Africa and the Arab world…well it was absolutely brutal, completely inhumane and really fucked up. Look at the French Foreign Legion and the1994 Rwandan genocide was 32 years ago…not centuries ago. No doubt there’s brutality in many top down models but the culture of brigade model has spread and the roots of shittiness are there.

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The puritanical suffer culture is alive and well…most prominent among macho nerd tech bros and sleeping in your office BS.

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This is true in many apprentice-style professions – medicine, finance, union jobs, and so on. It’s bad enough when it’s hazing about hours worked, lack of sleep, and so on.

But stabbing people and punching them? Nope.

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When my husband was a medical student in the 1980s, there was a lot of hazing directed to students, especially from surgeons. It seems to be different now.

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I don’t recall it being for the purpose of humiliation or subjugation, but maybe. He probably remembers this pearl;

“What’s the worst part of being on call every other night?” Answer “You miss half the cases”.

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My husband called it “pimping” when he was a medical student at Stanford … it wasn’t about being on call, it was the surgeons during actual surgery humiliating the medical students. It was mid 1980s. It didn’t happen when he went on to his actual medicine internship and residency at Yale. Other medical students I knew said the same thing about the surgery rotations there at Stanford. The ones who told me about it were all male and the surgeons were all male.

However, the cafeteria food at Stanford Hospital was much better than at Yale New Haven Hospital.

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