Davidovitch are a bit less dense, but they’re also usually fresher than Kossar’s (unless you get there early). I can’t comment on pumpernickel, as I am everything or nothing.
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went to Utopia 34th St this past week. Smelled great. Hot and fresh. But disappointing.
Too big & puffy. But the crust and crumb were pretty nice. The pumpernickel was OK, but not anything special. WW just seemed like white bread. My local (Country Hot in Northport) is better.
Apollo, Davidovitch and Brooklyn Bagel LES this week.
went to Zuckers & Brooklyn on 8th in the 20s the other day. Both way too big and soft.
Flavorwise, Brooklyn pumpernickel wasn’t bad, the WW was better. Both Zuckers were nothing.
When people say down here in Virginia “this is nothing like a real New York bagel,” I tell em there are a lot of bad bagels in NYC. Same for pizza.
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#truth
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I have proven these 2 statements time and time again. Although it is getting better for pizza.
Bagels are, as of yet, still meh. Not as good as my LI youth or what I have nearby.
But that don’t cut it when I’m in Manhattan. Also, I’d like to send some Miamians bagels they are missing, but so far, none much better. Unless you’re near Zak.
Where was that misspent?
I’m curious because of your curious insistence on pumpernickel as the sole criterion.
Huntington. Wolfies & Michelles.
And SoBro when visiting my fathers parents. Post WWII, his dad owned a bakery in that neck of the woods.
We are visiting one of my wife’s friends from NJ who moved to Charlotte for work a while back. They recently downsized to a place just over the South Carolina border, in an area where a tremendous amount of high-end, chock-a-block development is occurring, attracting transplants from the Northeast with, let’s politely say, a dressed-up Cheesecake Factory sensibility about what an upscale restaurant should look and taste like.
But in what could be called a reverse cultural phenomenon, she says a recently opened Pop Up Bagels has been swamped with Beaufort County regulars waiting on a line stretching out the door and around the block for their bagels and cream cheese 
