The 16 rules of modern dining - as discussed in the Guardian (UK)

uhmmm, errrr, sorta’, kinda, . . . .

“the (declared) rules”
(of dining - and so many other thangs . . . )
change right regular depending on when the author was born.

lots to agree with, lots to question, some are just “say whot?”

“corkage” fee is long long long time recognized - especially for BYOB establishments.
“cakage fee” - definitely more new-age - but having had our 50th anniversary bash totally bombed out of existence by covid - I can relate. with pix of our wedding cake as yeah-really-not-that suggested by the establishment. . . I’d pay to bring in our own 50 year old cake . . .

plate splitting fee. . . . that’s a bit more dicey. reviewing on-line menus of eateries with 10 -14-16-32 ounce steaks - which not all too many “seniors” could eat . . .
seems somebody has overlooked the demographics of what group is a serious portion of their current audience . . .
old, retired geezers, who can/choose to eat out more often, and are in a position to shell out hundreds per meal , , , actually are not inclined to a 16 ounce steak…

Re cakeage, I once arranged a brunch for a group where one of the people brought some special Indian sauce that they wanted served. The restaurant had me sign a waiver absolving them of any responsibility in case someone got sick from the sauce.

That’s pretty close to a split plate charge. Not exactly the same, but close. And as long as it’s fully disclosed, I’m fine with it.

The split plate charge I find mildly offensive, too. At least that requires someone to portion and plate the food.

What about a server wardrobe upcharge? Toilet paper premium (> the gratis 2 squares)?

If there’s a somm involved, I don’t mind some corkage fee. But the way it’s generally practiced IME, the corkage is priced substantially above the prices of even their bottom tier of listed wines. And as if the listed wines are priced anywhere near cost!

This is where? Or are you making a general statement?

I think of corkage and cakeage as the price you pay for wanting to BYO. I would only get upset if the charge was sprung on me without notice.

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General, IME. I think the places up the corkage to force the patron to spend at least to a “better” list level.

Isn’t it always sprung? IME, you dom’t find out until you arrive, bottle in hand, or call ahead to ask. I can’t recall ever seeing a corkage notice on a website.

I have never seen it on a website, but probably because I don’t look for it: we aren’t wine drinkers. I have seen it on menus, though.

I think corkage fees are pretty common in Napa. This is apparently a list of places without them

I don’t think that’s generally true. You spend what you are willing to spend.

No it’s not “sprung”. Would you expect them to tell people in advance not to bring food too?

If they have a menu for something, it would follow that there will be some exception to someone bringing their own to the restaurant.

Corkage is neither new nor a surprise. People who take wine to restaurants know to ask. Whether it’s “worth it” or not to pay it depends on what wine they were planning to bring.

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This, exactly.

If a person is surprised by a “corkage” (or cake-age, be that as it may be), it is a “you” problem and not a restaurant problem.

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Literally 5:00 before I read your post, I read this.

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Yeah, I think that all regular charges should appear on menus and websites, i.e., be disclosed in advance. Automatic % tipping for large parties, for another instance.

You took my corkage virginity! I’ll never say never about this again.

It is a dangerous thing to equate “I can’t remember seeing X” with “X doesn’t exist.”

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I’m not surprised by restaurant practices that are inhospitable. That doesn’t make them right, and neither do people who just accept them.

Never said it doesn’t exist. I said it was new to me.

Do you see “no outside food” a lot on menus around where you are?