Difference between Mediterranean and Middle Eastern food?

Well before Italy was Italy it was lots of very different regions and the northern alps definitely a lot closer to Switzerland, Germany, and Austria than to Sicily. Polenta in northern Italy. Same for Spain and France in terms of strong regional differences that I know of, and probably Greece though I know almost nothing about Greek regions.

Chickpeas also in parts of Italy (ceci) and in my house, we love Calabrian chiles.

As for African (@harters) really interesting question about influences on the food now known as European; so much Arabic/Muslim/North African influence in Spanish cooking and to a lesser extent in Portugal. Lots of influence going in both directions between France and Africa, and France and Vietnam.

I remember being fascinated to read that the Portuguese introduced the idea of batter-coated food fried in oil to Japan…tempura. Not sure if that bears up with the historical record, but interesting.

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Yes, I am familiar with the history of Italy :slight_smile:

Of course there are regional cuisines in Italy, with the north being heavier on the cream, meats, etc. whereas Sicily is more tomato / eggplant /seafood oriented, and the north most def not part of the Mediterranean, just like I wouldn’t consider the north of France part of it, but Nice, Cannes & Marseille are. The geography is self-evident.

Yes, there are hot sausages in Italy. And Calabrian peppers. I’d mentioned RPF and hot peppers in my post. Sicilians are quite fond of them as well.

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I knew you were familiar with the history of Italy! Probably a lot more familiar than I am. I was agreeing with you.

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Tutt’ok! :joy::it:

Interesting point. That’s true in my area, as well. Greek, Italian, Tapas, etc., but only “middle eastern” for all those countries that comprise the area. Never occurred to me until you posted.

“Chalk balls.” Love it!

I like Phoenikia’s breakdown and agree. Northern Italian and southern Italian are distinct cuisines, and only one is "Mediterranean. "

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Although you do have to get quite far north to get away from the coastal influence

Spices – whether spicy or not (a distinction that is often lost) – traveled via the spice trade / silk road, while peppers (also tomatoes, potatoes, and other produce) traveled via colonization.

You’d be hard-pressed to find spicy food in the “middle east” (though many spices are used) other than in condiment form – eg shatta / schug / zhoug.

Similar to harissa in the Mediterranean countries of northern Africa.

In India there are special “Arab” menus (catch-all term locally) for middle eastern visitors and students (of which there are a LOT) that remove all spicy elements (green & red chillies, garam masala that might be heavy on cloves and pepper, and so on).

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One of our favourite Punjabi (?) dishes, aloo gobi, owes its ingredients (apart from spices) to colonisation.

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As does every dish in India containing tomatoes.

I think most of us owe 90 percent of our current diets to colonization.

Think about Greece and Lebanon without green beans, or northern Italy without polenta! Or Ireland without potatoes? Belgium without chocolate?

Shout out to the global community who has embraced the fruits of colonization and continued to work on improving the varietals and the uses. 1000s of different varieties of tomatoes, beans, peppers and potatoes, that have been improved over the centuries.

Without colonization, Alexander, the Romans, Marco Polo, Attila, the Ottomans et al, Northern Europe would be subsisting on oatmeal, Mead, and maybe some pickled herring. :joy:

I love looking at how some words and/or dishes travelled along the Spice Route from Greece to India and back again. Quite a few shared words in the Mediterranean, Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia.

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Very good points! And interesting about the “Arab” menus in India.

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I knew the Portugese and brought custard tarts to Macao, and according to some research, frying to Asia.

I hadn’t thought about the fact the Portugese and whoever else from wherever else who was on their boats (working, stowaways, captives, along for the ride, who knows!?), are the people who brought tomatoes to India, in the 16th C!

The tomato arrived in Europe in 1521. Or 1544. That darn Internet is not consistent.

The tomato was being used in European kitchens, and recipes calling for tomatoes were being published, by the late 17th C.

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Well, tomatoes aren’t indigenous to Italy either, no matter the DOPs :rofl:

Aaaah what would food anywhere be without the ingredients that traveled with the adventurous (and the foolhardy and the invaders) :woman_shrugging:t2:

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There’s Proto Indo European to thank long before that for language overlaps

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Exactly.
This is why it irks me when people get nationalistically possessive over an ingredient or a dish.

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The majority of us are well aware of the distinction and difference between “spices” and
“spicy” dishes, and whether spice as in HEAT is used in the dish itself or as a condiment obviously varies depending on the particular cuisine.

Um.

We are all middle-aged people who know a fair amount about spices and food.

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That was my point. Further, we are a subset of (mostly?) middle-aged people on a food discussion board. I’d say we know more than the average person about food.

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Why the italics and upper case.